Billy Eppler appreciation thread

[Angelsfan1984]

12 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

^^^^
 

This is why the Angels pitching hasn’t been good. 

I mean they did develop some great pitchers, they just traded them away for garbage. Still holding out hope that vinny pestano wears an angels hat during his HOF speech.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

I mean they did develop some great pitchers, they just traded them away for garbage. Still holding out hope that vinny pestano wears an angels hat during his HOF speech.

Did they?  It was one guy who was very pedestrian at the time of the trade. 

[beatlesrule]

The Angels were under .500 for all 5 seasons Eppler was the GM despite a team payroll never going under 176 million(adjusted for Covid year)

[Angelsfan1984]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Did they?  It was one guy who was very pedestrian at the time of the trade. 

Ok then I guess someone else developed angels cast offs. 

Are you telling me that having clevinger and Corbin in some capacity over the last 6 years wouldn’t have changed things a little?

 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Ok then I guess someone else developed angels cast offs. 

Are you telling me that having clevinger and Corbin in some capacity over the last 6 years wouldn’t have changed things a little?

 

I forgot about Corbin. 

[Angelsfan1984]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

I forgot about Corbin. 

Throw in adenhart (rip but honestly have no idea what his career would have looked like) and you have at least a respectable starting rotation.

 

[Docwaukee]

7 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

The Angels were under .500 for all 5 seasons Eppler was the GM despite a team payroll never going under 176 million(adjusted for Covid year)

acting as if a prior GM would have no bearing on a current GM is silly.  

[Stradling]

Just now, Angelsfan1984 said:

Throw in adenhart (rip but honestly have no idea what his career would have looked like) and you have at least a respectable starting rotation.

 

True but at the same time that Corbin trade happened over a decade ago.  And it was to acquire Haren to team up with a really good team to make a push.  If we had a team that good we’d want Perry to try to put us over the top. 

[Angelsfan1984]

Just now, Dochalo said:

acting as if a prior GM would have no bearing on a current GM is silly.  

100% 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

acting as if a prior GM would have no bearing on a current GM is silly.  

It’s really crazy how so many people spend as much time on here and yet don’t understand these types of things. 

[Angelsfan1984]

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

True but at the same time that Corbin trade happened over a decade ago.  And it was to acquire Haren to team up with a really good team to make a push.  If we had a team that good we’d want Perry to try to put us over the top. 

I agree. Clearly I’m speaking out of hindsight, but to the point of pitching talent it has been there to extent. 

[Chuck]

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Truly, the successful franchises develop their own pitchers.

 

53 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

This is why the Angels pitching hasn’t been good. 

I believe this is about to change with the likes of Detmers, Rodriguez and Daniel coming soon. There's a handful of others on their way as well after a couple more minor league seasons. 

The fact that Barria is just 24, Suarez is 23, Sandoval 24 and Canning is 25 that bodes well for a young rotation going forward. 

[Angel Oracle]

17 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

 

I believe this is about to change with the likes of Detmers, Rodriguez and Daniel coming soon. There's a handful of others on their way as well after a couple more minor league seasons. 

The fact that Barria is just 24, Suarez is 23, Sandoval 24 and Canning is 25 that bodes well for a young rotation going forward. 

And have 4 or 5 of all of those pitching  prospects become solid relievers.

[rageous]

The bad farm system can also be blamed for the bad bullpen in the recent years.

Who is the best reliver they have developed recently....Bedrosian?

Even though the starters look better I don't see anyone that can help the bullpen other than C-Rod if they choose to put him there.

Hopefully some of the pitchers they drafted this year can help out but I doubt they will be ready to contribute next year.

 

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Throw in adenhart (rip but honestly have no idea what his career would have looked like) and you have at least a respectable starting rotation.

 

That and Morales... the ripple effects of both were huge for this team

[ten ocho recon scout]

15 minutes ago, rageous said:

The bad farm system can also be blamed for the bad bullpen in the recent years.

Who is the best reliver they have developed recently....Bedrosian?

Even though the starters look better I don't see anyone that can help the bullpen other than C-Rod if they choose to put him there.

Hopefully some of the pitchers they drafted this year can help out but I doubt they will be ready to contribute next year.

 

Its crazy that in the last decade, we havent really developed a single SP that was solid, nor (like you said) a long term RP.

Skaggs I guess (though we traded to get him back). But who else? (I might be forgetting someone)

[ten ocho recon scout]

Im an idiot. Shoemaker and richards

[beatlesrule]

2 hours ago, Dochalo said:

acting as if a prior GM would have no bearing on a current GM is silly.  

He had 5 freaking years with more payroll than most teams. He failed pure and simple.

[stormngt]

15 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

And have 4 or 5 of all of those pitching  prospects become solid relievers.

It's amazing. 

Barria at age 21 was basically the best pitcher on Angels staff.  3.46 ERA. 122 ERA+.  

Just 21 with season like that.

His reward, demotion because they preferred Harvey, Cahill, and Stratton.

Eppler biggest F up was hiring Assmus and White (the worst pitching coach in franchise history).

Edited July 26, 2021 by stormngt

[stormngt]

24 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

He had 5 freaking years with more payroll than most teams. He failed pure and simple.

Using payroll as a gauge is unfair.   Yes he had a big payroll but most of it was tied up with Pujols and Hamilton.

[Tank]

3 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

"I never got an appreciation thread!"

well, we started one for you but then quit halfway through...

[Docwaukee]

1 hour ago, beatlesrule said:

He had 5 freaking years with more payroll than most teams. He failed pure and simple.

so if the Angels make the playoffs this year off the backs of Ohtani, Trout, Rendon, Stassi, Sandoval, Suarez, Fletcher, Walsh, Upton, Barria, and others obtained by his predecessors then Minasian should get all the credit because he brought in Iglesias, Cobb, Cishek, Iglesias, Quintana, Watson etc.?

Teams are built and unbuilt over time.  Not from year to year.  You're so used to seeing it done that way by following the Angels that you think it's normal.  It's not.  Eppler improved this team and the franchise as a whole.  

Let's take your black and white mentality a step further.  Every year, there is only one successful GM.  Pure and simple.   

[Stradling]

I love how payroll is used to determine whether he was good or not when so much of the payroll was determined before he took the job. All of Albert, he had 3 years of Hamilton, all of  Trout, 2 years of CJ, 2 years of Street.  On average he probably had 30 million to spend per year?  Maybe $40?  With holes in the pen, rotation, 3rd base, 2nd base, left field, catcher, oh and no farm to acquire anyone.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

5 hours ago, Stradling said:

I love how payroll is used to determine whether he was good or not when so much of the payroll was determined before he took the job. All of Albert, he had 3 years of Hamilton, all of  Trout, 2 years of CJ, 2 years of Street.  On average he probably had 30 million to spend per year?  Maybe $40?  With holes in the pen, rotation, 3rd base, 2nd base, left field, catcher, oh and no farm to acquire anyone.  

And a pitcher died.... multiple tommy johns.... shoemakers injury....

Edited July 26, 2021 by ten ocho recon scout

[Inside Pitch]

9 hours ago, rageous said:

The bad farm system can also be blamed for the bad bullpen in the recent years.

It's 100% the reason for it.