Angels fire Mickey Callaway, placed on MLB Ineligible List through 2022

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, ScottT said:

Knew what, exactly?  Francona covered what, exactly?

The Indians (Antonetti), previously claimed they had never heard anything about any sort of harassment.  That they had been floored by the accusations.   It's now pretty clear they were in fact aware.

[yk9001]

3 minutes ago, True Grich said:

This whole Calloway thing is icky. I don't care if he can turn every single Angels pitcher into Cy Frickin' Young, if he's doing the things he's been accused of, he's gotta go.  There's no gray area for me.

One Indians employee told The Athletic that Callaway's workplace behavior was "the worst-kept secret in the organization," and the wife of a player who was with the team in 2015 said Callaway was "just someone you wanted to stay away from."

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30990440/report-cleveland-indians-were-aware-complaints-mickey-callaway-behavior

[Taylor]

30 minutes ago, bruin5 said:

There sure seem to be a lot of women who are in on this scam.  I wonder how they will split the book deal proceeds.    

I'm gonna go watch some true crime shows, and I'll get back to you with the details.

[Second Base]

8 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

He has a contract so, there may be more to it than that.

If he can show that none of what is coming up now has happened while in Anaheim and that none of it has anything to do with his work, then they would be firing for reasons outside of his ability as a coach.  So, unless he has some sort of morality clause in his contract he could sue not only for he is due but also claim his future earnings have been hindered by the Angels actions.    

Basically, I think the Angels biggest concerns have more to do with what Callaway's lawyers may be able to argue.

And that's the biggest concern (I'm not concerned, just interested I suppose) here, is that the investigation may be taking as long as it is because

A. There's no proof.

B. It was consensual.

C. None of it occurred during working hours.

D. None of it occurred with the Angels.

Though it may not be directed at the Angels, the Angels would take the brunt of consequences here. Because if not than one of the above is indeed true, the Angels are between a rock and a hard place. 

There's also the distinct possibility here that Callaway is telling the truth. That some of what is being reported are outright lies (wouldn't be the first time) and that he cheated on his wife when he wasn't with the Angels, in a completely consensual affair. If that's the case, they really can't or shouldn't fire him as much as they need to give him a long absence away from the team so he can focus on being the husband and father that he needs to be. 

There's a lot that we don't know. We just need to see this play out, but it's clearly not a cut and dry thing that many posters here are making it out to be. 

 

 

 

[Lou]

He's a scumbag. Get rid of him.

[Chuck]

 

[Stradling]

50 minutes ago, Second Base said:

And that's the biggest concern (I'm not concerned, just interested I suppose) here, is that the investigation may be taking as long as it is because

A. There's no proof.

B. It was consensual.

C. None of it occurred during working hours.

D. None of it occurred with the Angels.

Though it may not be directed at the Angels, the Angels would take the brunt of consequences here. Because if not than one of the above is indeed true, the Angels are between a rock and a hard place. 

There's also the distinct possibility here that Callaway is telling the truth. That some of what is being reported are outright lies (wouldn't be the first time) and that he cheated on his wife when he wasn't with the Angels, in a completely consensual affair. If that's the case, they really can't or shouldn't fire him as much as they need to give him a long absence away from the team so he can focus on being the husband and father that he needs to be. 

There's a lot that we don't know. We just need to see this play out, but it's clearly not a cut and dry thing that many posters here are making it out to be. 

 

 

 

So you don’t really understand harassment.  It doesn’t have to happen during work hours.  It very well could be more along the lines of quib pro quo, information for sex.  

Also I wonder, what the ratio of dick pics sent to dick pics requested is.  My guess is the request percent is pretty damn low.  

[yk9001]

It wasn't more than two years ago that that asshole Brandon Taubman was taunting a female reporter in the locker room.  And the entire Astros organization lied about what happened.  Until more and more people spoke up, and exposed their lies.

Get these assholes out of baseball.

 

[tdawg87]

58 minutes ago, Second Base said:

C. None of it occurred during working hours.

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

He clearly has no idea what harassment is.  That’s fine not everyone has received training on it.  However, if you don’t know what it entails, probably don’t want to speak about it as if you are a position of authority on the subject.

[tdawg87]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

He clearly has no idea what harassment is.  That’s fine not everyone has received training on it.  However, if you don’t know what it entails, probably don’t want to speak about it as if you are a position of authority on the subject.

You're just an SJW.

[Stradling]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

You're just an SJW.

Yep.  I guess it is time to go be super emotional on social media.  

[bruin5]

All of this reminds me what my close friend, who spent 10 years in majors told me.  We were talking about performance enhancing drugs and what was the most used.  

He said, “Viagra”.  

I was kind of surprised by this and he told me it’s because when they come back home from road trips the wives expect performance.  

Just speaks to kind of the culture at the time (early 00”s).  Probably still goes on now.  He also said it was a limited number of players but that they all turned a blind eye.  

I only say this because it speaks to the mentality of baseball in general.  You may not like what your teammates are doing, but you are certainly not going to say anything about it.  

[Pancake Bear]

Bad look for the Indians this morning, and to some extent for the Mets. Hopefully the Angels don't make things worse on themselves. 

[Taylor]

43 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

It wasn't more than two years ago that that asshole Brandon Taubman was taunting a female reporter in the locker room.  And the entire Astros organization lied about what happened.  Until more and more people spoke up, and exposed their lies.

Get these assholes out of baseball.

 

The Astros should have handled it internally. Going public about people's toxic behavior is never okay.

[Taylor]

I wonder how many of the people still defending Mickey were on the "impeach Clinton" train 23 years ago.

[yk9001]

2 minutes ago, Taylor said:

The Astros should have handled it internally. Going public about people's toxic behavior is never okay.

That reporter was out for money or something.

I've watched enough of the ID Network to know.

[jsnpritchett]

17 minutes ago, ScottT said:

 

The Indians knew about the affair.  So what.

...and at least some of the other allegations, yet multiple people within the organization denied they knew.

[Taylor]

Just now, jsnpritchett said:

...and at least some of the other allegations, yet multiple people within the organization denied they knew.

So what.

[Make Angels Great Again]

14 minutes ago, Taylor said:

The Astros should have handled it internally. Going public about people's toxic behavior is never okay.

 

Here's a suggestion. The next time you and your wife get in a big fight, and you're sure she's being an asshole, go make a statement on your facebook. I'm sure that's the proper course of action, right?

[Lou]

I think you're all forgetting the words of one of the great orators of our generation: 

Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks

Lick on these nuts and suck the dick

Get's the fuck out after you're done

And I hops in my ride to make a quick run

[Stradling]

Just now, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

Here's a suggestion. The next time you and your wife get in a big fight, and you're sure she's being an asshole, go make a statement on your facebook. I'm sure that's the proper course of action, right?

Because somehow in your brain that is a decent comparison.

[tdawg87]

Just now, Lou said:

I think you're all forgetting the words of one of the great orators if our generation: 

Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks

Lick on these nuts and suck the dick

Get's the fuck out after you're done

And I hops in my ride to make a quick run

Yes, a classic @cals quote.

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

I think you're all forgetting the words of one of the great orators if our generation: 

Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks

Lick on these nuts and suck the dick

Get's the fuck out after you're done

And I hops in my ride to make a quick run

[Taylor]

2 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Here's a suggestion. The next time you and your wife get in a big fight, and you're sure she's being an asshole, go make a statement on your facebook. I'm sure that's the proper course of action, right?

Of course not.

But if I were in a long-term abusive relationship in which the behavior was constant, and my family member was a public figure, and their behavior had implications beyond our own relationship, going public might be appropriate.