SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19

[Stradling]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

WTF?? How about hell no?

Why?  Just curious.  

[Jason]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Why?  Just curious.  

This would require mandatory testing. That would be my biggest complaint 

[UndertheHalo]

Ya I don’t see the problem with it.  Would absolutely help with getting things back to normal.  There’s significant benefit to knowing whether you’re going to a risk to spread the disease or not.  Sorry, if you can carry the disease and spread to others you need to accept that some things have to change for you until there’s a good treatment or a vaccine. 

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

This would require mandatory testing. That would be my biggest complaint 

So basically, your individual idea of “freedom” trumps the communities right reasonably avoid not get a deadly disease.  That’s what it boils down to. Correct ?

Edited April 10, 2020 by UndertheHalo

[Jason]

Just now, UndertheHalo said:

So basically, your individual idea of “freedom” trumps the communities right to not get a deadly disease.  That’s what it boils down to. Correct ?

Yep. So keep me locked up if i don’t have the antibodies? No thanks 

[Jason]

Use the antibodies for developing vaccine or treatments is a great idea. Not so much to determine someone’s level of freedom

[UndertheHalo]

Your not locked up now are you ? You’re just unwilling to make inconvenient  but not unreasonable sacrifices for the safety of others.  Psychotic.  Small discomforts now make for the fastest elimination of this.  So we can all go back to our lives. 

[UndertheHalo]

A very large number of people probably already carry the antibodies.  

[Jason]

1 minute ago, UndertheHalo said:

Your not locked up now are you ? You’re just unwilling to make inconvenient  but not unreasonable sacrifices for the safety of others.  Psychotic.  Small discomforts now make for the fastest elimination of this.  So we can all go back to our lives. 

It's unreasonable when there is no anticipated end date of this. What's reasonable? A month, 6 months, a year? 

[UndertheHalo]

9 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's unreasonable when there is no anticipated end date of this. What's reasonable? A month, 6 months, a year? 

How can there be an end date ?  There’s no hard answers.  It’s unreasonable to demand one.   If you look at how things like this have gone before, and the work that’s being done, I suspect it’s not unreasonable to assume that a lot of normal activity can resume within 8 weeks.  Maybe you need to avoid movie theaters and Disneyland for a 5 or 6 months beyond that if you don’t have the antibodies.  It sucks, but this isn’t a prison sentence.  Hopefully some drug treatments become available sooner so that speeds up the timeline.  Even from a purely self preservationist perspective that’s the correct thing.   You don’t want it.  You don’t want to give it to others.  It’s happened.  Now we have to deal with it.  The more testing access we have the more easily it can be isolated and treated.  Which in turns results in people’s increased ability to resume normalcy.  It just has to be shitty for now.  

there’s like 20+ vaccines already being tested, I think there’s a strong degree of probability that there will be success with some number of them.  I guess 18 months would be long outcome.  Hopefully sooner.  Maybe a bit longer then that.  It’s hard to say.  But, with so much effort being devoted to this.  I think and hope we’ll have good solutions soon.  

anyway that’s what I think.  It’s not an fair thing.  

[UndertheHalo]

I don’t believe that you’re unwilling to do what’s right on this Jason.

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I don’t believe that you’re unwilling to do what’s right on this Jason.

I'm doing everything they recommend because I do believe this is serious and has to be done but to allow the government to determine the level of liberty you have based on the immune system you were born with seems like a terrible idea. What if certain ethnic groups are predisposed to not have the antibodies? You can see how this could be really awful. I don't trust our government with this type of power

[mtangelsfan]

13 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

I don’t believe that you’re unwilling to do what’s right on this Jason.

They test, they have your DNA.

there does need to an end date.  We would all be much “safer” if we all stayed in our homes ad nauseum.  

[gotbeer]

As long as the scope of the test is just to determine if you have the antibody or the Rona and nothing more.  (of course this is our Guberment we are talking about)  And it gets me one step closer to going to a bar, casino, track, movie, restaurant, strip club when I want.  Sure I'd go for it.  

But I'm not holding my breath.  Getting something that big accomplished nationally is going to take a lot of money, leadership and coordination.  At least we can print money right?

[RallyMo]

13 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

They test, they have your DNA.

there does need to an end date.  We would all be much “safer” if we all stayed in our homes ad nauseum.  

They grab a coke can, they have your dna too. DNA is cool.

[red321]

20 minutes ago, Jason said:

I'm doing everything they recommend because I do believe this is serious and has to be done but to allow the government to determine the level of liberty you have based on the immune system you were born with seems like a terrible idea. What if certain ethnic groups are predisposed to not have the antibodies? You can see how this could be really awful. I don't trust our government with this type of power

In this case the antibodies aren't really tied to your genetic makeup...it's have you been exposed to the virus and your body built up an immunity. In essence that is how a vaccine works, it gives you a mechanism to build up a natural immunity.

And before someone points out Blacks and Latinos, statistically have a higher rate of transmission that doesn't mean they've identified they are genetically more susceptible. Good chance a lot of that is environmental, living in closer quarters, underlying health issues, etc.

[UndertheHalo]

15 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

They test, they have your DNA.

there does need to an end date.  We would all be much “safer” if we all stayed in our homes ad nauseum.  

Ridiculous MT.  There is a crisis existing in the present.  We’re not talking about an interminable thing.  This is a straw man.  For now we should and need to deal with it.  We need to be flexible. Specific dates are not flexible.  It’s going to have to be a gradual thing.  Which is why the antibody tests are helpful. 

[Jason]

Just now, red321 said:

In this case the antibodies aren't really tied to your genetic makeup...it's have you been exposed to the virus and your body built up an immunity. In essence that is how a vaccine works, it gives you a mechanism to build up a natural immunity.

And before someone points out Blacks and Latinos, statistically have a higher rate of transmission that doesn't mean they've identified they are genetically more susceptible. Good chance a lot of that is environmental, living in closer quarters, underlying health issues, etc.

Not everyone's body will do that though. I'm certain there are millions of people that have been exposed and immediately developed those antibodies. Do you not think that some of that is a result of genetics? 

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, RallyMo said:

They grab a coke can, they have your dna too. DNA is cool.

Have you been binge watching CSI during your downtime? 

[UndertheHalo]

26 minutes ago, Jason said:

I'm doing everything they recommend because I do believe this is serious and has to be done but to allow the government to determine the level of liberty you have based on the immune system you were born with seems like a terrible idea. What if certain ethnic groups are predisposed to not have the antibodies? You can see how this could be really awful. I don't trust our government with this type of power

I don’t doubt it.  Obviously it has to be reasonable man.  I’m not talking about sending the feds to your house to force you to take a test.  

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Ridiculous MT.  There is a crisis existing in the present.  We’re not talking about an interminable thing.  This is a straw man.  For now we should and need to deal with it.  We need to be flexible. Specific dates are not flexible.  It’s going to have to be a gradual thing.  Which is why the antibody tests are helpful. 

So are you OK with requiring citizens to show proof that they have the antibodies? What if they don't have said proof?

Edited April 10, 2020 by Jason

[UndertheHalo]

And correct not everyone is going to be able to develop immunity without a vaccine.  Eventually most people will.  This is the herd immunity stuff.  In the mean time people need to not be foolish and be considerate of others well being. Again, that will require some shitty inconvenience that everyone needs to share the burden with.  We all have to live together.  

[UndertheHalo]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

So are you OK with requiring citizens to show proof that they have the antibodies? What if they don't have said proof?

Then maybe Angel stadium or Disneyland  says you can’t come in.   Places where it’s not possible to maintain safe distance.  I think the test should be free and everyone should be able to get it.  
 

look, I’m not naive about the challenges.  It sucks. 

Edited April 10, 2020 by UndertheHalo

[Jason]

Just now, UndertheHalo said:

And correct not everyone is going to be able to develop immunity without a vaccine.  Eventually most people will.  This is the herd immunity stuff.  In the mean time people need to not be foolish and be considerate of others well being. Again, that will require some shitty inconvenience that everyone needs to share the burden with.  We all have to live together.  

I completely agree with this. It's the government mandating a person to test or take a vaccine that I have issue with. 

[Lhalo]

I’ve been handing out DNA samples to hot bitchez since I was 15.