Cole's Asking Price: Too steep, or too stupid to pass up?

[kevinb]

Just now, Erstad Grit said:

Wow didn't know you had such insight into the personal life of Cole. You really think that someone getting a 300 million contract would care about per year salary? The same guy who as an 18 year old turned down 4 million? 

Have an opinion but express it as such. 

Yes I do. I don’t think there’s anyway he signs for 5 mil less a year when Stras just signed for 35. He has the same agent. The starting point will be 35 a year. And I’m not the only one who thinks that all the reports are saying the same thing. 

[kevinb]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

Then why do you care how Are spends his?

Who’s are?

[kevinb]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

Based on what? WAR? At least 7. They got Bundy too, remember.

And before you imply this makes us a 79 win team I'm going to go ahead and stop you right there. I'm not going down that rabbit hole.

I’m not basing it off war or anything I’m asking as of today if the Angels sign Cole. What’s the win total of the Angels at the end of the year. 

[eligrba]

Just now, Kevinb said:

Who’s are?

That's how Arte's really close "friends" refer to him.

[jsnpritchett]

2 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Based on what? WAR? At least 7. They got Bundy too, remember.

And before you imply this makes us a 79 win team I'm going to go ahead and stop you right there. I'm not going down that rabbit hole.

Well, you can't just say, "We get a 7 WAR player, so that'll give us 7 more wins," either.  Take a look at what the Angels team WAR was last year.  I guarantee you it won't add up to anything near 79, because that's not how the stat works at all.

[tdawg87]

Just now, Kevinb said:

I’m not basing it off war or anything I’m asking as of today if the Angels sign Cole. What’s the win total of the Angels at the end of the year. 

I don't know. I'm not a fucking psychic.

But what I do know is that it's significantly higher than it would be if they didn't.

[tdawg87]

Just now, jsnpritchett said:

Well, you can't just say, "We get a 7 WAR player, so that'll give us 7 more wins," either.  Take a look at what the Angels team WAR was last year.  I guarantee you it won't add up to anything near 79, because that's not how the stat works at all.

That's not at all what I was saying.

[eligrba]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

That's not at all what I was saying.

[kevinb]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

I don't know. I'm not a fucking psychic.

But what I do know is that it's significantly higher than it would be if they didn't.

Cool story bro. No ones asking you to be psychic. You’re just saying they’ll be better. Gee thanks. 

[the dude abides]

8 minutes ago, Taylor said:

True. The pitchers knew when the hitters were going to swing.

Probably best to take HOU related stats with a grain of salt for the time being.

for obvious reasons.

[tdawg87]

Just now, Kevinb said:

Cool story bro. No ones asking you to be psychic. You’re just saying they’ll be better. Gee thanks. 

Well what the hell do you want? 

[Jason]

So I’m in the “pass” camp based on recent news of demands. This team needs much more than one great pitcher. We have the greatest offensive player on the team and it wasn’t enough to make the offense that good. I hate these type of contracts but that is just the way it is now. 

[Taylor]

Those who vote "no" aren't allowed to complain about the Angels pitching next season.

[Jason]

7 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Those who vote "no" aren't allowed to complain about the Angels pitching next season.

Meh, I expect them to be garbage every year. 

[eligrba]

14 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Those who vote "no" aren't allowed to complain about the Angels pitching next season.

To be fair, the no’s should only be allowed to complain 4/5 of the time and prohibited from using the “Cole cost too much to afford anyone else “ argument.

[aznhockeyguy]

25 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Those who vote "no" aren't allowed to complain about the Angels pitching next season.

Just because you vote no doesn't mean you don't want the team to improve.  I'd allocate that money to two to three starting pitchers instead of just Cole.

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

2 minutes ago, Vladdylonglegs said:

Exactly. Looks like he varies between an ace and a #4

L o f’n L #4. Gtfo. 
 

that “#4” Is far and away better than anything we’ve had in a long time. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

We've got Hoby Milner, so no.

Ho-by! Ho-by! Ho-by!

[Vegas Halo Fan]

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

I'm more in favor to go 300 if we could tack on another year. 

10/300

Do you really want to give a Pujols-sized contract to a pitcher?

[the dude abides]

4 minutes ago, RBM said:

Verlander will turn 37 during spring training. He was 21-6 with a 2.53 ERA, 300 K’s and 223 IP this year. *

* with the Astros 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, aznhockeyguy said:

Just because you vote no doesn't mean you don't want the team to improve.  I'd allocate that money to two to three starting pitchers instead of just Cole.

Which "two to three" starting pitchers?

The problem with this argument is it assumes that everyone will sign here. So we can just take the contract we'd offer Cole and split it in half or in thirds to get more pitchers. It's literally the Bavasi argument. 

No one is even close to the level of Cole. So you sign "two or three" guys to fill the rotation, and yet you're getting similar overall output. What's the point? 

I'm aware that Cole is only affecting 1 game at a time, but overall, over the course of a full season, are two or three pitchers having a better impact? I don't think so. Not with what's available.

[tdawg87]

2 minutes ago, the dude abides said:

* with the Astros 

Please stop this argument.

There's exactly 0 evidence that Houston cheated on the pitching front. And honestly, what would they do that pitchers everywhere else already don't?

[ksangel]

As Neil Young sang....Walk on...Walk on....

[southpaw]

It's not like we don't have any high salaries coming off the books to balance it out in the next few years......   oh wait.....

[tdawg87]

2 minutes ago, southpaw said:

It's not like we don't have any high salaries coming off the books to balance it out in the next few years......   oh wait.....

Yes but......