How about Simba & Suarez for Anthony DeSclafani?

[Chuck]

So yeah this team needs a Gerrit Cole and possibly one of Odorizzi or Wheeler as well, but why stop there? How about also trading Simba for a team rich in starting pitching?

Pitching half of his games in a bandbox, DeSclafani posted a 3.89 ERA, 1.20 WHIP and 167/49 K/BB ratio over 166 2/3 innings in his 31 starts this season and is only 29.

I'm starting to warm to the idea of trading Simba and giving the everyday SS job to David Fletcher. I think he's earned it based on his offense and defense. He's a spark plug atop the lineup too. 

We could sell high on Suarez being that he's awfully young and has had tremendous success in the minors. (I'm not a fan after watching him this season).

The Reds have Bauer, Castillo, Gray, Wood, Gausman, Mahle. 

Thoughts?

[jsnpritchett]

4 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

So yeah this team needs a Gerrit Cole and possibly one of Odorizzi or Wheeler as well, but why stop there? How about also trading Simba for a team rich in starting pitching?

Pitching half of his games in a bandbox, DeSclafani posted a 3.89 ERA, 1.20 WHIP and 167/49 K/BB ratio over 166 2/3 innings in his 31 starts this season and is only 29.

I'm starting to warm to the idea of trading Simba and giving the everyday SS job to David Fletcher. I think he's earned it based on his offense and defense. He's a spark plug atop the lineup too. 

We could sell high on Suarez being that he's awfully young and has had tremendous success in the minors. (I'm not a fan after watching him this season).

The Reds have Bauer, Castillo, Gray, Wood, Gausman, Mahle. 

Thoughts?

Not sure that's how I'd characterize someone who had a WAR of less than -1.0. 

[VariousCrap]

This is going to be a long off-season.

[Docwaukee]

I feel like selling Simba off after a down year doesn't allow you to max his value.  He was pretty brutal offensively this year and his normal swing (which at baseline looks pretty bad) was all out of whack.  He was a popup machine.  

I think the reds are an interesting potential trade partner though.   A guy that could be a target for us is Mahle.  Had an off year but misses bats and rolls a lot of ground balls.  

[Pancake Bear]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

I feel like selling Simba off after a down year doesn't allow you to max his value.  He was pretty brutal offensively this year and his normal swing (which at baseline looks pretty bad) was all out of whack.  He was a popup machine.  

I think the reds are an interesting potential trade partner though.   A guy that could be a target for us is Mahle.  Had an off year but misses bats and rolls a lot of ground balls.  

Everyone shits all over Simmons and Upton, just like they did on Calhoun last year.

Easy money around here: Bet that next offseason, fans will be begging to extend Simmons and bragging on our 1-2-3 punch outfield. It's practically a sure thing.

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

We could sell high on Suarez being that he's awfully young and has had tremendous success in the minors. (I'm not a fan after watching him this season)

But obviously the Reds will be.

[Chuck]

4 minutes ago, Sean-Regan said:

Everyone shits all over Simmons and Upton, just like they did on Calhoun last year.

Easy money around here: Bet that next offseason, fans will be begging to extend Simmons and bragging on our 1-2-3 punch outfield. It's practically a sure thing.

For what it's worth, Upton deserves every bit of the criticism he's gotten here and elsewhere. 

Do I think Upton and Simmons will have a better 2020 campaign? Well in Upton's case, there's only one way to go and that's up -- if he can manage to stay healthy. 

Simmons has a year left on his contract and like Doc said, he's been shit on offense this season. That swing looks awful. If he can hit like he did the previous two years I'd be down to keep him and trade Fletcher. 

[Chuck]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

But obviously the Reds will be.

Yes.

[Justin]

At the start of the season, I was a big proponent of trading Simmons; I thought he could fetch a young pitcher who would help when the team was ready to compete again. 

But after watching Fletcher and especially Rengifo at SS this season, I have a new appreciation for the luxury of having a player at short like Simmons. (Also Jeff Fletcher made a comment that Simba wouldn't fetch as much as many people - including me - thought he would.)

[Pancake Bear]

14 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

For what it's worth, Upton deserves every bit of the criticism he's gotten here and elsewhere. 

Do I think Upton and Simmons will have a better 2020 campaign? Well in Upton's case, there's only one way to go and that's up -- if he can manage to stay healthy. 

Simmons has a year left on his contract and like Doc said, he's been shit on offense this season. That swing looks awful. If he can hit like he did the previous two years I'd be down to keep him and trade Fletcher. 

The Upton complaints are childish and reactionary.

Why trade either Simmons or Fletcher? So we can throw a bad contract at Rendon? I’d like to be competitive this next decade, personally. If Rengifo or Thaiss looks worth playing full time and La Stella comes back solid, we can trade from a position of strength. No one is offering much for Simmons right now. 

[Pancake Bear]

2 minutes ago, azmancini said:

Not quite sure why people are so quick to trade a guy (Fletch) that other than Trout  showed more guts, desire and clutch than anyone on that team.

I don’t think anyone is advocating trading Fletcher. Well, except for Chuck just now -  and I don’t think he even thinks that. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Simba is 30 years old, has one year left on his contract and will be 31 when he's set to hit FA.  If they aren't going to extend him then they should absolutely look to move him.  I'm not against an extension but it comes down to the cost and number of years.  

[Chris]

Keep Fletcher at 3B, Simmons at SS, La Stella at 2B, with Rengifo as UT.

[Lou]

Trading Fletcher right now would be a dumb move 

[IIIII]

I don't think selling Simba at his lowest is smart because realistically he won't garner that much. Same goes with Suarez. Also I don't think Anthony is that great of a player and he will more than likely regress to how he pitched in past years. 

[beatlesrule]

I like Simmons and hope he gets an extension.

[DMVol]

1 hour ago, Chris said:

Keep Fletcher at 3B, Simmons at SS, La Stella at 2B, with Rengifo as UT.

Or Rengifo at 2b and LaStella at 1b....There will be more DH time for Pujols with Ohtani pitching....

[m0nkey]

How about Suarez for Suarez 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

You don't deal a player of Simmons' caliber. You won't replace that defense, ever,  and the only knock on him before he got here was that he didn't hit. He seems to have solved that particular issue.

[Lou]

26 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

How about Suarez for Suarez 

or Suarez for Suarez

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, SoPas Angel said:

But after watching Fletcher and especially Rengifo at SS this season, I have a new appreciation for the luxury of having a player at short like Simmons.

That's about where I'm at on this discussion. I would feel like the Angels would be selling low like the Padres did with Ozzie Smith. 

[Lou]

I've always appreciated Simmons

[TroutCron]

3 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

For what it's worth, Upton deserves every bit of the criticism he's gotten here and elsewhere. 

Do I think Upton and Simmons will have a better 2020 campaign? Well in Upton's case, there's only one way to go and that's up -- if he can manage to stay healthy. 

Simmons has a year left on his contract and like Doc said, he's been shit on offense this season. That swing looks awful. If he can hit like he did the previous two years I'd be down to keep him and trade Fletcher. 

Why trade Fletcher? He was the second best hitter and a much better defensive player than expected. He also plays the game the right way and did a good job as a leadoff hitter. Fletcher is a keeper. 

[angelsnationtalk]

@Chuckster70 I’ve been thinking a Simmons trade for about a month now. 
Since we know Upton isn’t going anywhere I’d go balls out with this: 

Trade Simmons, Suarez, Marsh, Yan, And Ward for Noah Syndergaard.

This saves us $15M and we only lose Marsh as our top prospects. Suarez is moveable now since we have control of Thor plus money for an extension when the time comes. Gives us time to develop Barria, Sandoval, Soriano and the pitcher we draft in the first round for 2020. 
 

Then we sign Gerrit Cole and Zack Wheeler. This keeps our payroll around $177M

rotation is: Cole, Thor, Ohtani, Heaney, Wheeler, Canning. 

[AngelStew43]

I agree with this.  We have Fletcher, Rengifo, and LaStella, all of whom can play SS.  Also, a trade like this clears more dollars to be spent on the starting pitching, or the catching spot, which was another eyesore, again.  

If we could clear enough dollars to add Cole and MadBum, I would be VERY happy.