Does anyone want Sosh back? If not, who do ya want?

[Lou]

17 minutes ago, halomatt said:

I'm gonna put my money on Eric Chavez. 

 

I have no money though. 

racist?

[stormngt]

3 hours ago, MrClutch said:

All the rumor mills point to Mike stepping down at the end of the year.  In my opinion, that is the best scenario for the short-term and long-term health of the franchise.  But, what if he wants to come back another year and the rumor mills really are "poppycock?"

Any of you guys (and gals) want him back?  If yes, why?  If no, then who would you like to fill the spot?

I appreciate all that he has done for the franchise, but the 10-year contract has run it's course and then some.  Personally, I think that a move should've been made back in 2015/2016 if not earlier.  I am a big Jerry Dipoto fan (personally - super good dude with a great family and in what he brings to a team in the analytics department) and the way that Big Mike ran Dipoto out of town was the final nail in the coffin for me.  I'd much rather have Dipoto than the stubborn fool that Sosh has become.  Winners adapt and there hasn't been much winning around these parts lately.

With that said, a bunch of names have come out as possible replacements...

- Brad Ausmus.  Please NO!  The guy couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag in Detroit.  The Tigers won in spite of him.  

- Eric Chavez.  It seems as if this is the front runner... for the future. He's out in Salt Lake with the Bees getting some experience.  It almost feels as if Keith Johnson is the front runner with Chavez as the heir apparent if that backfires.  

- Keith Johnson.  As just mentioned, I assume him as the front runner after coming up from Salt Lake.  Chavez is the sexier choice, but he needs more of a resume I would think to take on the head gig at MLB level.  Thus, plug Johnson in unless Chavez blows people away in Bee Country.

- Joe Girardi.  Lots of talk about this in ESPN circles because of his connection to Eppler, but I don't see it.  I don't see Joe fitting fitting in to the Anaheim way of life, much less taking on an admitted project like the Angels (Pujols, starting pitching, glaring holes at both corners).  I think Joe goes to St. Louis.

- Josh Paul.  I think Josh is a dark horse candidate here.  Most of it depends on how much stock Eppler has in Josh's potential as a manager.  Lots of chatter about him being a manager one day...somewhere.

There are some other names out there (Roenicke, Farrell), but I truly believe that the gig goes to Johnson or Chavez.....

If I had to pick between the two?  Give me Johnson.  

 

 

Cant take you seriously once you claimed that the quitter was run out of town

[stormngt]

2 hours ago, MrClutch said:

So, instead of ad-hominem attacks from you guys, where are the well put-together thoughts and arguments?  I can tell who are fans of Scioscia based on how you argue because you argue like he manages - on instinct and emotion instead of coming from a place of facts.

Again, blame Dipoto all you want for the Hamilton, Wilson, and Pujols signings, but every single baseball reporter and insider will tell you that Arte Moreno sank us with his direct pursuits and negotiations with the three.

Eppler runs the show in Anaheim and for it to be a peaceful existence, I expect them to hire Johnson.  He's a company guy.  He's done his time.  As I said, Chavez is the "sexier" hire, but why would I want to hire him as manager?

Who are?  Dipshits brother in law?

He sucks as a GM.  And he is a quitter.  It has nothing to with Scioscia.  In fact many who have mocked you are hard core anti Scioscia.

Dipshit had the authority to fire Hatcher then he had the authority to build the team as he sees fit.

 

It was Dipshito who signed four pitchers his first off season.  Blanton was the worst pitcher in the league, Hanson was a close second and neither of his two relief pitchers were healthy.

It was Dipshito who traded Clevinger for  reliever who barely pitched.  Dipshito who signed Balanquin instead of waiting a year and signing Vlad Jr for less money.  

He signed both Pujols and Hamilton

He traded away Segura

And he hasnt done shit with Seattle with the exception of 1 2nd place finish.  No playoffs.

 

[stormngt]

2 hours ago, MrClutch said:

The point is that the M's weren't supposed to compete.  I brought it up because people are trying to act like the major issue with the Angels was Dipoto's tenure.  It's not. The issue is Moreno's involvement, Scioscia not adapting, injuries, and gaping holes at the corners and behind the plate.

Funny almost all the predictions had Seattle finishing ahead of the Angels.

[stormngt]

1 hour ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Keep in mind, as a friend of dipoto, youre going to be biased simply because anything he tells you is "insider scoop". Versus what any knucklehead on hear tells you.

Dipoto deserves some credit in seattle. As you listed above, he had a mess to try and fix.

That being said, he is hated in the angels org (by guys who arent even sosh people), and hated in the seattle org (obviously not by everyone, but more than one or two people).

Full disclosure. Back when he was here, he and sosh were really at odds over a certain player. The player happened to be a very good friend of mine. Dipoto took the players side, and I in turn liked jerry for it.

Long story short, sosh was correct about said player, dipoto was wrong. About him and a few others.

FWIW, quite a few of the guys sosh was a dick to arent playing anymore. And back then, id ask the guys sosh seemed to "like" why he was sitting guys who i (and dipoto) thought were studs. And the guys (who had long careers) pretty much always sided with sosh. Maybe they liked said players as teammates, but saw the same flaws sosh did, even when they were putting up decent numbers (in relatively short careers).

Angel's. You got me curious.  Who was this player!

[stormngt]

I posted four times and didn't answer the question.

I have been a big supporter of Scioscis but after 19 years and Arte staying loyal to Scioscia I expect Scioscia to be gone.  

Who for replacement?  I have no idea but Eppler will catch hell if the manager flops and will be a genius if we get into the playoffs.

[mtangelsfan]

Looks like he took his ball and went home.

[Lou]

6 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Looks like he took his ball and went home.

 

not possible. Dipoto trades his balls away for one of these 

 

[failos]

[Stradling]

[Blarg]

3 hours ago, MrClutch said:

It doesn't.  I know Jerry and his wife personally.  That was all my point was for disclosure.  

I've meet and talked with Dipoto on several occasions. A very personable guy in mixed company. 

What he did to the Angels organization speeks for itself in how long it is talking to undo the damage he did. From terrible free agent signings to flushing a productive farm system, Jerry is a day trader with no long term plan. His analytics are crap, his draft history is high floor low ceiling college players to flood the A ball ranks with kids two years older than the competition so they look good, then the falter in AA, never developing into real MLB talent. 

But a real personable guy. 

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, Lou said:

racist?

No money, poor white trash?

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, failos said:

Is Dipoto's son still in the Angels' minors? Or did he trade him too bahaha

Don't know. I remember the Angels traded Matt Scioscia for Wayne Gretzky's son so neither franchise had to release a close relative. They were both released a year later. 

[failos]

He deserves zero respect for how he went out. Nice guy sure, but not exactly professional.

[Inside Pitch]

4 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

I had to respond to "big Jerry Dipoto fan".

You are aware that he destroyed the farm system here, and has already destroyed the M's farm system.

Like the Halos were by 2016, the M's are screwed now because they have no farm to rely on.   Their 'TOP' prospect Kyle Lewis flopped this season, only a .711 OPS.   

Without a farm, it is very difficult to maintain any continuity.

Dipoto may be a great family man, but as a GM he comes across as arrogant and seemingly trying to outsmart others and even himself with some head scratching moves.  He and Reagins set back this franchise pretty much an entire decade.

It wasn't his fault........    the chant never ends...

3 hours ago, MrClutch said:

The point is that the M's weren't supposed to compete.  I brought it up because people are trying to act like the major issue with the Angels was Dipoto's tenure.  It's not. The issue is Moreno's involvement, Scioscia not adapting, injuries, and gaping holes at the corners and behind the plate.

Case in point...

[halomatt]

2 hours ago, Lou said:

racist?

Poorist. 

[Blarg]

I will miss Scioscia laughing crotch pics on the forum next season when he is replaced by Eppler's pick. 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

I will miss Scioscia laughing crotch pics on the forum next season when he is replaced by Eppler's pick. 

It will still show up from time to time.  My guess is when the new manager makes a decision that doesn’t work out someone will post the pic 

[disarcina]

Want Sosh back?  Not really - don't think it's going to happen. Sosh has been great for the Angels organization and his accomplishments here at the winningest Halos manager of all time is appreciated.

But after about what? FIVE YEARS, at least now, of high hopes and disappointing seasons -- it's time to 'turn the page' to use one of Sosh's frequent post game quotes after a loss.

I think the managerial sweepstakes come down to BRAD AUSMUS and ERIC CHAVEZ.

I'd say Ausmus has the inside track but he seems to generate significant blow back here on Angelswin.com -- not sure why. Didn't think he was that terrible in Detroit -- didn't he also manage in Houston?

Eric Chavez seems to be the fan favorite, Angelswin.com choice here.

I see a two tier approach - two years of Ausmus during a sort of re-building period and then Eric Chavez - who continues to manage at SLC - AAA ball in 2019, becomes either bench coach or third base coach in 2020 and then Halos skipper in 2021..........that's a scenario I could see happening.

Of course, if Halos fans create a huge blow back on the possibility of Ausmus being named - in this era of social media -- that may make a difference.

[AngelsFanSince86]

4 hours ago, MrClutch said:

So, instead of ad-hominem attacks from you guys, where are the well put-together thoughts and arguments?  I can tell who are fans of Scioscia based on how you argue because you argue like he manages - on instinct and emotion instead of coming from a place of facts.

Again, blame Dipoto all you want for the Hamilton, Wilson, and Pujols signings, but every single baseball reporter and insider will tell you that Arte Moreno sank us with his direct pursuits and negotiations with the three.

Eppler runs the show in Anaheim and for it to be a peaceful existence, I expect them to hire Johnson.  He's a company guy.  He's done his time.  As I said, Chavez is the "sexier" hire, but why would I want to hire him as manager?

Guess it takes a GM that actually knows what they are doing to grab the reins.  None of us actually know what happened.  All we know is that Moreno does in fact rely on his GM to make the ultimate decision (strange how Dipoto was the only GM under Moreno who seemed to have this problem and now Eppler "runs the show").  So despite how you may feel about this, ultimately Dipoto agreed or it wouldn't have happened.  We also know Dipoto is directly responsible for 2 of the worst farm systems of all time.  We also know Dipoto is responsible for Baldoquin and the subsequent inability to sign Vlad Jr. who would have, with almost 100% certainty, signed with the Angels if given the chance.  We also know he quit.  Make whatever excuses you want, but a quitter is a quitter is a quitter. Quitting is not being run out.  Its running away like a petulant child.

 

Edit:  For what its worth, I am waiting patiently for the day Scioscia is gone.  I don't know who should replace him, but I trust that Eppler will make the right choice.  I do think they need a change of culture, but I don't think Scioscia is to blame for Dipoto's (many) shortcomings.

Edited September 12, 2018 by AngelsFanSince86

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, calscuf said:

Except ROC.  That shit makes me lose it when the guy from 3rd is out by a mile.

Truest words ever.....

[floplag]

I think Scoscias time has past, its time for a new voice.  Thats nothing against him, but it just isnt happening with him.

That having been said im not sure im fond of any of the candidates listed all that much.  I dont think this team and its veteran personalities would take a rookie seriously, thats not a move a team intending to content does in most cases. 

I'm not sure at this point what i think the right move is, aside from the fact that i think one needs to be made.  

[disarcina]

why are we debating DiPoto tenure here?  It was what it was. And WAS (as in PAST TENSE) is the operable word.

He and Sosh could not get along in a working relationship.

DiPoto -- who, by all accounts, is a very nice guy and probably fun to be around - made some questionable moves here during his time as GM.

He seems to have fared better in Seattle -- although the M's right now are going through a late September fade. Still, the M's were IN it into September which is more than what the Halos can say.

When DiPoto signed on with the M's -- other than his being employed by a division rival -- I said then and now -- I wish him well but want the Halos to beat his team and finish above the M's in the standings........no ill will/ negative feelings towards DiPoto here.

 

 

[disarcina]

I actually think if Brad Ausmus is named, Halos fans will warm up to him.

He seems very personable......acted with total class when let go by Detroit.

Seems to take a blue collar approach towards the game.

Some may feel a guy like Eric Chavez -- younger and not that far removed from the game -- could relate to  today's millenial type players better.

Ausmus more OLD SCHOOL (which is probably why I like him - he seems to be in the "Craig Biggio' mold).

Chavez may be the better pick of the two -- I still like Ausmus -- but that's me -- old school type in a new world.

[arch stanton]

9 minutes ago, disarcina said:

why are we debating DiPoto tenure here?  It was what it was. And WAS (as in PAST TENSE) is the operable word.

He and Sosh could not get along in a working relationship.

DiPoto -- who, by all accounts, is a very nice guy and probably fun to be around - made some questionable moves here during his time as GM.

He seems to have fared better in Seattle -- although the M's right now are going through a late September fade. Still, the M's were IN it into September which is more than what the Halos can say.

When DiPoto signed on with the M's -- other than his being employed by a division rival -- I said then and now -- I wish him well but want the Halos to beat his team and finish above the M's in the standings........no ill will/ negative feelings towards DiPoto here.

 

 

Why are we debating Dipoto? Again?  Because there is still no minimum post count required before starting threads