Current DL

[NachoPop]

While this is far from the only reason the team is in the position it is in, how much better do you think this years intended roster would if these guys were healthy?

• Cozart, Zack (2B)
• Jewell, Jake (P)
• Johnson, Jim (P)
• Lamb, John (P)
• Marte, Jefry (1B)
• Meyer, Alex (P)
• Middleton, Keynan (P)
• Ohtani, Shohei (P)
• Ramirez, JC (P)
• Richards, Garrett (P)
• Rivera, Rene (C)
• Shoemaker, Matt (P)
• Tropeano, Nick (P)
• Wood, Blake (P)

[Ray McKigney]

This just makes me even more depressed.

[AngelsFaninGA]

I keep seeing the DL argument but outside of Ohtani and maybe Middleton (who was showing signs of regressing before getting hurt), the players on this list just aren't that good. We'd still be a .500 team with them

[GrittyVeterans]

3 minutes ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

I keep seeing the DL argument but outside of Ohtani and maybe Middleton (who was showing signs of regressing before getting hurt), the players on this list just aren't that good. We'd still be a .500 team with them

Richards is good. People just don’t like him because he didn’t live up to expectations of being a top 10 pitcher in the league. There’s no doubt that we’re worse off without him though. We have Facking John Lamb starting games in his place

[NachoPop]

1 minute ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

I keep seeing the DL argument but outside of Ohtani and maybe Middleton (who was showing signs of regressing before getting hurt), the players on this list just aren't that good. We'd still be a .500 team with them

I thought down this line as well but there has to be at least some difference:

Position / Hitting:

• Cozart, Zack (2B)          = Fletcher
• Marte, Jefry (1B)           meh
• Ohtani, Shohei (P)         Has to be FAR better than whoever else has DH'ed
• Rivera, Rene (C)             Was outhitting Machete but at least Briceno has been a pleasant surprise

Starters:

Any combination has to be better than Pena / Lamb (yeah I know he DL'ed now) / whoever they call up next

• Lamb, John (P)
• Meyer, Alex (P)
• Ohtani, Shohei (P)
• Ramirez, JC (P)
• Richards, Garrett (P)
• Shoemaker, Matt (P)
• Tropeano, Nick (P)

Relievers:

You don't think they would make a difference over Drake / Robles / Morris?

• Jewell, Jake (P)
• Johnson, Jim (P)
• Middleton, Keynan (P)
• Wood, Blake (P)

[Blarg]

39 minutes ago, NachoPop said:

While this is far from the only reason the team is in the position it is in, how much better do you think this years intended roster would if these guys were healthy?

• Cozart, Zack (2B)
• Jewell, Jake (P)
• Johnson, Jim (P)
• Lamb, John (P)
• Marte, Jefry (1B)
• Meyer, Alex (P)
• Middleton, Keynan (P)
• Ohtani, Shohei (P)
• Ramirez, JC (P)
• Richards, Garrett (P)
• Rivera, Rene (C)
• Shoemaker, Matt (P)
• Tropeano, Nick (P)
• Wood, Blake (P)

 

That group might help.

[Angel Oracle]

I see a potentially nice bullpen with Shoe, Meyer, Tropeano, and JC Ramirez joining Parker and whoever else.

[Pujols4MVP]

Without Blake Wood & Middleton injuries they'd have Alvarez/Blake Wood in the 7th inning, Blake Parker in the 8th & Middleton in the 9th, that would be at least 5 extra wins right there. Those are the guys who can put up scoreless innings out of the pen.

Then that would mean they'd only use Bedrosian & Noe in non leverage situations thus leading to a few extra wins instead of using Paredes & Robles etc to blow games out of any possible chance of a come back as it would be easier to come back in games without Paredes & company giving up 2-3 runs every game.

Skaggs/Heaney/Ohtani/Barria/Richards/Meyer rotation with Trop & Shoemaker moving to the pen would help the bullpen even more & that'd mean less Noe & Bedrosian.

For now they should consider using Briceno as a DH in games he isn't catching.

[zenmaster]

Our DL situation is so ridiculous that I've forgotten a few of these guys are even on our team.

[stormngt]

10 hours ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

I keep seeing the DL argument but outside of Ohtani and maybe Middleton (who was showing signs of regressing before getting hurt), the players on this list just aren't that good. We'd still be a .500 team with them

First of all just adding Ohtani and Middleton takes a 500 team and it improves it.  Thus we would be better than 500.  In fact I believe we were winning about 60% of our games until Middleton went down.

Second, our bullpen has a losing record in in close games (1 run games) entering the 7th inning.

Third, please do not say a healthy Shoemaker, Ramirez, and Meyers would not do wonders to the team.  In fact all three could give us a dominant pen.

I do agree the loss of position players does not hurt much.  In fact losing some may have been a blessing.  Losing Simmons even for a short time really hurt .

Before all the injuries we were 3/3 against Houston, 2/3 against Seattle.  2/3 against Cleveland and we were beating up the sub 500 teams.

[CanadianHalo]

We’ve put a lot of faith into a starting rotation that has a lengthy injury history so I’m not quite sure the DL excuse holds much weight.

You can’t be surprised when guys like Richards, Shoe, Heaney and Skaggs take trips to the DL.

[stormngt]

7 minutes ago, CanadianHalo said:

We’ve put a lot of faith into a starting rotation that has a lengthy injury history so I’m not quite sure the DL excuse holds much weight.

You can’t be surprised when guys like Richards, Shoe, Heaney and Skaggs take trips to the DL.

Heaney and Skaggs are not on the DL.

Middleton, Ramirez, Meyers, ????

[CanadianHalo]

21 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Heaney and Skaggs are not on the DL.

Middleton, Ramirez, Meyers, ????

Pretty sure Heaney started the year on the 10 day DL and Skaggs has missed a start this year.

My point remains.

[AngelsFaninGA]

13 hours ago, GrittyVeterans said:

Richards is good. People just don’t like him because he didn’t live up to expectations of being a top 10 pitcher in the league. There’s no doubt that we’re worse off without him though. We have Facking John Lamb starting games in his place

Ok, that's one additional player who has the most extensive injury history on the team, and we're lucky to have gotten as much as we have out of him. Shoe and Trop are fringe #5 starters. Ramirez and Meyer IIRC were already ruled out before the year even began. Cozart has been awful. The rest of the guys on the list are non-factors. 

Point being that we've been playing poorly for the last 65 games, back when most of these guys were healthy. The injuries turn us from a .500 team into a .450 or .400 team, which doesn't really matter, since we're not a playoff team anyway. It just results in a more boring product on the field. 

[krAbs]

Our depth chart per MLB.com:

 

I love how literally, the DL doesn't even fit on the page. at some point you just have to sit back and laugh.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Kaleb cowart has waited his whole life for the opportunity to play for a team who needs relievers, or a utility infielder with a great glove who has almost his identical last name as he to go down, for his chance to shine.

Hes got this!

[Docwaukee]

16 hours ago, calscuf said:

Not anymore!

frankly, it's … it's the sort of thing that Miggs would say

[HaloNArizona]

17 hours ago, NachoPop said:

I thought down this line as well but there has to be at least some difference:

Position / Hitting:

• Cozart, Zack (2B)          = Fletcher
• Marte, Jefry (1B)           meh
• Ohtani, Shohei (P)         Has to be FAR better than whoever else has DH'ed
• Rivera, Rene (C)             Was outhitting Machete but at least Briceno has been a pleasant surprise

Starters:

Any combination has to be better than Pena / Lamb (yeah I know he DL'ed now) / whoever they call up next

• Lamb, John (P)
• Meyer, Alex (P)
• Ohtani, Shohei (P)
• Ramirez, JC (P)
• Richards, Garrett (P)
• Shoemaker, Matt (P)
• Tropeano, Nick (P)

Relievers:

You don't think they would make a difference over Drake / Robles / Morris?

• Jewell, Jake (P)
• Johnson, Jim (P)
• Middleton, Keynan (P)
• Wood, Blake (P)

This...Wood and Middleton would be a huge difference maker.  Eppler would not be dumpster diving to find arms for the pen.  

Rivera, was a very pleasant surprise and Ohtani would have meant less LVB in the line up, as AP plays 1st and Ohtani DH's.  With Cozart out, the point is null....

[ten ocho recon scout]

9 minutes ago, calscuf said:

That doesn’t interest me Doctor.

Look at the blonde!

[ten ocho recon scout]

That silence of the lambs scene is fitting here. When jodie foster first walks down the hall to get to anthony hopkins, and you see all the freaks in that dungeon, and hopkins smiling and looking creepy when she gets there. Thats how i imagine sosh picking relievers, or eppler picking replacements.

[laagamer]

I'm confused every time we bring in a bench guy or backup now.

[T.G.]

They have started picking up guys who hang out in the Home Depot parking lot looking for work.