Gameday Thread: Angels vs. Rockies (5/9/2018)

[Angel Oracle]

Alvarez in to pitch, I guess Scioscia has had enough of Bedwalk after loading the bases on walks Sunday with a 6 run lead.

[Lou]

The entire bp had Monday off 

[Angel Oracle]

This is such a good day, even Kinsler reached base twice and drove in a run.

[eligrba4ever]

Arenado. Whaddya gonna do?

[Mark68]

I think giving Barria the early hook is an example of what could be a cumulative effect in the bullpen. We saw what happened the other night when Scioscua went to the well one too many times with Anderson. There’s only so many shuttles we can utilize between Anaheim and Salt Lake. Keep pulling the starters too early and the bullpen becomes overworked. So it worked out this once. This is not a case of “the ends justify the means”. Over time, it could lead to a huge problem.

[T.G.]

Just now, eligrba4ever said:

Arenado. Whaddya gonna do?

When Arte comes for you.

[mtangelsfan]

Just now, Mark68 said:

I think giving Barria the early hook is an example of what could be a cumulative effect in the bullpen. We saw what happened the other night when Scioscua went to the well one too many times with Anderson. There’s only so many shuttles we can utilize between Anaheim and Salt Lake. Keep pulling the starters too early and the bullpen becomes overworked. So it worked out this once. This is not a case of “the ends justify the means”. Over time, it could lead to a huge problem.

Or they put more value on the starters and try to take care of their arms more.  

[JarsOfClay]

1 minute ago, mtangelsfan said:

Or they put more value on the starters and try to take care of their arms more.  

And from what source did you get this information from?

[Warfarin]

25 minutes ago, stormngt said:

So Barria hasn't been pitching over 90 pitches in AAA?  That would make sense.

My honest guess would be in this new era of baseball, we are moving away from the golden standard of 100 pitches in a game, because more and more SPs are getting hurt.  Yes, you are correct, Barria has not suffered a significant injury in the past.  However, he's young and he's pitching in a very tough environment today.  

A lot of prospects these days throw 75-80 pitches in a game, then get pulled.  This is the overall trend I am noticing.  

[Blarg]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

You don't think it did because it worked. 

We need our starters to go 6 innings. They do that worse than any team in baseball.

Barria went as far as it was considered prudent by those that know every little detail about what he can or can't do. 

I never like pitchers yanked at one or two outs in the inning with what seems like plenty of pitching left in their arm but I did notice Barria not happy with his lack of control on a couple of his last pitches. I'm sure the dugout was plotting his velocity and error margin much closer than we did. 

In the end I'd like to see Barria pitch more this season. If that means he gets yanked in the 6th after shutting out the opposing team, I'll cope. Better than forearm tightness and losing him for weeks or more. 

[JarsOfClay]

Wow Alvarez is a changed man. 

[Warfarin]

Man, I love Alvarez.  What a legit weapon he is turning out to be against LH.  We need another lefty in the pen though, otherwise this guy is going to ultimately appear in like, 90+ games, lol

[Dick Enberg]

Alvarez an All_Star first 45 days of the season.

[Chuck]

8 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Might be time to start the bitch gameday thread again.

Or give some people a 1 week ban.

[Blarg]

9 minutes ago, True Grich said:

Reading this thread without knowing the score - you'd think the Angels were down 7-0

Or Scioscia brought in Bedrosian that gave up the lead. 

[JarsOfClay]

I was so wrong about Alvarez, his stuff has been really good this year.

[Lou]

9 minutes ago, red321 said:

People are actually trying to make an issue out of Scioscia pulling a 21 yr. rookie starter, who is going to be a major part of the rotation, who has never thrown more than 140 innings in a season, making his 4th start in the big leagues, at 90 pitches during his 3rd run through the lineup?

Scioscia haters are really having to reach this year...it's somewhat impressive

 

[Mark68]

2 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Or they put more value on the starters and try to take care of their arms more.  

I understand that. But Barria had thrown what...83 pitches? Would it have been that dangerous to have him complete the inning (or to pull him if someone else reached)? Instead, you bring in a rookie to throw some pretty high-stress pitches AND burn a bench player in the process.

[mtangelsfan]

3 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

And from what source did you get this information from?

None, it is my opinion.

[Blarg]

2 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

Wow Alvarez is a changed man. 

Maybe it was the coaching. 

[GrittyVeterans]

Alvarez is arguably our best reliever

[eligrba4ever]

3 straight Ks starting with runners at first and third no out. Alvarez digs out of his own jam.

Sort of the MLB-wide story of the season. Strikeouts are on a record pace.

[tdawg87]

Alvarez has been our best reliever, easily.

[rafibomb]

Would love for us to get another lefty in the pen and start using Alvarez as a set-up late innings type reliever and not just a lefty specialist

[Angelsfan1984]

Now I will give credit to Scioscia there. Based on past experiences he would have pulled him because it was no longer a lefty batter. Alvarez made good pitches and got out of it. Its really not a difficult concept to understand.