Who wins the AL MVP

[Troll Daddy]

Please let it be Altuve ... the three finalists 

 

[Blarg]

It's Altuve, no other player contributed to his teams success as much. 

[arch stanton]

Everybody knows it's going to be Altuve. Not much suspense in that

[Tank]

Should be Altuve in a landslide. Anything less and the fix is in.

[Ohtaniland]

Altuve!

Proving once again that size doesn’t matter. 

calscuf

[m0nkey]

Altuve Judge Ramirez

[zenmaster]

If it's not Altuve then the system is officially more broken than it was all those year Trout didn't win.

[Blarg]

According to Fangraphs Judge (8.2) has the higher WAR than Altuve (7.5). Judge also had a higher wRC+ of 173 over Altuve's 160.

So if you are using the same type of Stats to claim Trout should have won more MVPs then you should be arguing Judge should win this year.

Or maybe it's about more than just number data.

Edited November 9, 2017 by Blarg

[Dtwncbad]

Altuve is going to win it.  I think is about as mysterious as wondering which Kardashian has slept with the most NBA players.

[Mark68]

5 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Altuve is going to win it.  I think is about as mysterious as wondering which Kardashian has slept with the most NBA players.

Khloe

[Angel Oracle]

Question is, will Trout finish as high as 4th or 5th?    At least then keeping his top 5 finishes streak alive at six seasons? 

[Puget Sound Angel]

Anyone but Judge. New York based CBS Sports Radio will never stop kissing his azz if this happens.

[mulwin444]

I think the order will be Altuve, Judge, Ramirez and Trout

Judge wins ROTY

[Troll Daddy]

57 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

I think the order will be Altuve, Judge, Ramirez and Trout

Judge wins ROTY

You really went out on a limb with that prediction 

[mulwin444]

2 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

You really went out on a limb with that prediction 

Thanks for your invaluable response, as usual

[ukyah]

it's obviously altuve...and the trophy will be lifesize. ah, thank you.

[Chuck]

Altuve should win in a landslide.

But in other news...

[WeatherWonk]

7 hours ago, Blarg said:

According to Fangraphs Judge (8.2) has the higher WAR than Altuve (7.5). Judge also had a higher wRC+ of 173 over Altuve's 160.

So if you are using the same type of Stats to claim Trout should have won more MVPs then you should be arguing Judge should win this year.

Or maybe it's about more than just number data.

Excellent! Another example of WAR being a very imperfect measure of a player's worth! 

A boatload of unproductive Ks means nothing to WAR. That's the biggest fault, IMO. It was really magnified in the playoffs (I know, the MVP voting discounts the playoffs) when Judge whiffed in so many big situations...........only to get the rare big hit. 27 Ks and a .188 BA. 

Altuve had 25% more hits and 60% fewer Ks in the regular season.

The two likely ROY for both leagues are perfect examples of the "new normal" in baseball. Lots of Ks and lots of HRs and low BA with RISP. They took turns setting the record for most Ks in a post season. All because they refuse to shorten their stroke or hit to the opposite field in a situation where a single is as effective as a HR. Judge hit .227 with two outs and RISP. K rate of 33%. Bellinger comes in at .229 with a 30% K rate, in the reg season. .219 and NEARLY a 50% K rate in the playoffs.

Think back to the playoff games, where all these two needed what a measly single..............and they K-ed, swinging for the fences.

[Blarg]

The MVP voting is completed before the playoffs begin. So nothing of what you are addressing has any bearing on the results.

[WeatherWonk]

12 hours ago, Blarg said:

The MVP voting is completed before the playoffs begin. So nothing of what you are addressing has any bearing on the results.

Coulda sworn I said that in my post. Why are you re-stating the obvious?

Besides, I DID address their differences during the regular season. WAR is an imperfect meter.

[ukyah]

20 hours ago, WeatherWonk said:

It was really magnified in the playoffs (I know, the MVP voting discounts the playoffs)

this is what he was basing it off of. i read it the same way as he did, but i let it go. playoff performance isn't discounted, it's eliminated from consideration entirely, because the voting is finalized before the playoffs begin. obviously, you're aware of this, but you chose the wrong word.

[AngelsLakersFan]

Strikeouts don't matter. If you are making more contact you are just hitting into more double plays.

[WeatherWonk]

1 hour ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Strikeouts don't matter. If you are making more contact you are just hitting into more double plays.

Even a double play can drive in a run.

Strikeouts never do. A wild pitch or a passed ball ACCOMPANYING a K might get one in, but the hitter has done nothing to accomplish this.

[AngelsLakersFan]

32 minutes ago, WeatherWonk said:

Even a double play can drive in a run.

Strikeouts never do. A wild pitch or a passed ball ACCOMPANYING a K might get one in, but the hitter has done nothing to accomplish this.

Traditionalists won't even give an rbi to hitters who hit into double plays.

[Angel Oracle]

Ramirez was runner up in my mind in early September.   Then Judge exploded again and Ramirez struggled. 

Altuve, Judge, Ramirez, and then Trout and Lindor in either order.