Calolfornia

[UndertheHalo]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/theres-a-middle-ground-on-immigration-both-sides-refuse-to-find-it/2018/01/18/cf043028-fc93-11e7-ad8c-ecbb62019393_story.html?utm_term=.bfbb169ebde8

really good piece on immigration i thought.

[Jason]

7 hours ago, Tank said:

holy crap, what arrogance! none of this being done in sacramento is constitutional, and i fully expect this to land in front of the SCOTUS before too terribly long. state law does not trump federal law, and the idiots in california are setting up to learn this the hard way.

won't somebody with an ounce of gray matter left craft a plan to make gaining citizenship easier so this battle can stop bankfupting our state?

https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses

How in the hell are sanctuary cities and states able to do what they do?

[Jason]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-democrats-want-businesses-to-give-half-12508742.php

The California democrats' hubris should be their downfall.  Why would anyone want to do business here? This is out of control

 

[Blarg]

Some Ting wrong.

[gotbeer]

15 hours ago, Jason said:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-democrats-want-businesses-to-give-half-12508742.php

The California democrats' hubris should be their downfall.  Why would anyone want to do business here? This is out of control

 

That has to be an onion article.  

[Tank]

16 hours ago, Jason said:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-democrats-want-businesses-to-give-half-12508742.php

The California democrats' hubris should be their downfall.  Why would anyone want to do business here? This is out of control

 

"A proposed Assembly Constitutional Amendment by Assemblymen Kevin McCarty, D-Sacramento, and Phil Ting, D-San Francisco, would create a tax surcharge on California companies making more than $1 million so that half of their federal tax cut would instead go to programs that benefit low-income and middle-class families."

holy mackerel. 

[Blarg]

Wealth redistribution right out of Socialist philosophy. 

[Jason]

7 hours ago, Tank said:

"A proposed Assembly Constitutional Amendment by Assemblymen Kevin McCarty, D-Sacramento, and Phil Ting, D-San Francisco, would create a tax surcharge on California companies making more than $1 million so that half of their federal tax cut would instead go to programs that benefit low-income and middle-class families."

holy mackerel. 

In all seriousness, how bad do things have to get before California voters decide to go in a different direction? 

[gotbeer]

43 minutes ago, Jason said:

In all seriousness, how bad do things have to get before California voters decide to go in a different direction? 

I think a company like Google, or Apple, or Amazon that actually has a big presence in California has to publicly come out and say fuck this noise we are leaving before the sheep pay attention.  Could also be a movie studio.  

[Tank]

the fact that they are proposing this as a state constitutional amendment is beyond okay.

we often talk about the need to clean out the crap in washington, and it certainly needs to be done yesterday, but we also have these morons in sacramento that need to go. you can't keep taking people's money away from them and expect it's okay.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Are there enough voters to go in a different direction?  Any time there's a presidential election they can call CA at about noon local time while states back east are nowhere near ready to be called.  Right now we've got a governor who said "people can afford it" when they raised gas taxes (CA citizens already saw one of the smallest return on their gas taxes, i.e. crap roads and high taxes), we've got an AG who is threatening businesses for following federal laws and a state that has no problem talking a big game opposing the feds but they still aren't above holding their hands out for federal funds.  California ranks in the back of the pack among states when it comes to public education and while there's plenty of schools in CA that perform well for many of those that don't it's not a matter of money it's what kids aren't getting at home and there's nothing we can do to fix that.  Barring something big happening we'll continue to see an exodus of income tax paying citizens and businesses from the state.  The middle class will continue to get pinched, taxpayers will see a smaller return on what they pay while education and other essential services will suffer.  Then when they can't raise enough taxes off the top earners (see 2012, 2016) and bond sales won't address their deficits they'll be all out of tricks.    

[Lhalo]

People will have to wake up when CALPERS goes bust. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

When CalPERS comes up short they just go after the cities to make up the difference.  The cost for agencies to leave CalPERS can even be prohibitive and some small cities were told they would owe more than their annual budget to leave. 

[Jason]

5 hours ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Are there enough voters to go in a different direction?  Any time there's a presidential election they can call CA at about noon local time while states back east are nowhere near ready to be called.  Right now we've got a governor who said "people can afford it" when they raised gas taxes (CA citizens already saw one of the smallest return on their gas taxes, i.e. crap roads and high taxes), we've got an AG who is threatening businesses for following federal laws and a state that has no problem talking a big game opposing the feds but they still aren't above holding their hands out for federal funds.  California ranks in the back of the pack among states when it comes to public education and while there's plenty of schools in CA that perform well for many of those that don't it's not a matter of money it's what kids aren't getting at home and there's nothing we can do to fix that.  Barring something big happening we'll continue to see an exodus of income tax paying citizens and businesses from the state.  The middle class will continue to get pinched, taxpayers will see a smaller return on what they pay while education and other essential services will suffer.  Then when they can't raise enough taxes off the top earners (see 2012, 2016) and bond sales won't address their deficits they'll be all out of tricks.    

I think you are spot on here. Unfortunately the liberals in this state are happy with the way things are going. It really is sad. 

[AngelsLongBall]

12 minutes ago, Jason said:

I think you are spot on here. Unfortunately the liberals in this state are happy with the way things are going. It really is sad. 

I think we’ve created a permanent voting class that are used to being labeled victims of XYZ, and have little to no personal responsibility to lift themselves upwards

[gotbeer]

2 hours ago, LHalo said:

People will have to wake up when CALPERS goes bust. 

Good thing that in Calolfornia Pensions are Constitutionally protected and are an obligation that we can't get out of even in bankruptcy, and would require a vote of the people to ever change.  Calolfornians will forever be on the hook.  Because Police and Firemen and Teachers.

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-pension-crisis-initiatives/

[Jason]

http://www.cjlf.org/releases/18-01.htm

The democrats are doing an outstanding job with this state. We should elect more of them

[Adam]

I went to Burger King yesterday and slipped the cashier a note that said:

 

"slide me a plastic straw, but don't break eye contact." 

 

Esmerelda had no idea. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Came across this one last week:

"Wealthy exodus to escape new tax rules worries California Democrats"

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article195405279.html

At the end of the article they quote a study that says most very well off people aren't chased off for tax reasons.  That said with the already HCOL here, the impact of the new tax plan, crime rates going up and so on it doesn't bode well for the state long term.  It may not chase off a lot of wealthy people but the middle class and businesses may look to set up a better life elsewhere.  

[Tank]

9 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Came across this one last week:

"Wealthy exodus to escape new tax rules worries California Democrats"

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article195405279.html

At the end of the article they quote a study that says most very well off people aren't chased off for tax reasons.  That said with the already HCOL here, the impact of the new tax plan, crime rates going up and so on it doesn't bode well for the state long term.  It may not chase off a lot of wealthy people but the middle class and businesses may look to set up a better life elsewhere.  

i'll retire in less than ten years. i won't really have a reason to stay in california.

[Adam]

You'll love ensenada tanker

[Lhalo]

21 minutes ago, Tank said:

i'll retire in less than ten years. i won't really have a reason to stay in california.

Ya I'll be outta here. Might keep a condo here for the beach but my primary residence will be in a low tax state.

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Came across this one last week:

"Wealthy exodus to escape new tax rules worries California Democrats"

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article195405279.html

At the end of the article they quote a study that says most very well off people aren't chased off for tax reasons.  That said with the already HCOL here, the impact of the new tax plan, crime rates going up and so on it doesn't bode well for the state long term.  It may not chase off a lot of wealthy people but the middle class and businesses may look to set up a better life elsewhere.  

They've regulated this into existence by creating a housing shortage. I'm sure the democrats way of fixing the issue would be for more housing subsidies. 

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/rb/RB_304HJRB.pdf

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Tank said:

i'll retire in less than ten years. i won't really have a reason to stay in california.

I have more than 10 years left but I'm with you

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Adam said:

You'll love ensenada tanker

Well, I'm really a party animal so that'll be just fine with me.