Is there any hope for Simmons' bat?

[Lou]

I have no problems with the opinion that we could have used our trade chips differently, but we can say that without discrediting just how big the gap is between Simmons and Aybar.

the gap between their play defensively is huge. Defensively, Simmons will be the best ss in team history.

[Thomas]

What if we give his bat to another player?

[ten ocho recon scout]

This may be a bad comparison, and feel free to call me on it. But i feel like simmons is like trading for erstad, but without guys like salmon, glaus and ga around him

Im one of the biggest erstad homers on this board. But there was a thread a few weeks back where a lot on here were hating on him. I see simmons as similar, amazing defense at a defense important position, with a bat that hurts.

Like i said, i could be way off on that, and would welcome arguments the other way. But i still would have preferred to have targeted a lesser SS even next winter (keep aybar this year) while holding on to newcomb. Once we decided to trade newcomb i would have preffered it was to get a 3B or 2B.

Like i said, simmons is going to be fun to watch. But i think it was a bad move, personally.

[Second Base]

The way I see it, you could get defensive specialist SS for next to nothing off the scrap heap. Now granted,my hey wouldn't be aka good as Simmons is defensively, but they would be good. I mean the Angels had a wizard of their own in Eric Stamets before trading him away. I just don't see a ton of difference between Simmons and a guy like Stamets. They both play good defense and have trouble hitting.

I'd have kept Aybar and the prospects. He's only going to be 32 next year. Erick still has another 4 years or so of production left in him. If they really wanted to trade Newcomb and Ellis, they could have landed something we actually need, like a front of the rotation starter or a stud LF. Or better yet, we could have kept both and then we'd have the front of the rotation starter we need a year from now and a damn fine 3/4/5 starter in Ellis.

But it's over and fine with now. No use in complaining. Might as well just appreciate what we have, which is a twice in a lifetime defensive SS that might learn how to hit in the next 5 years.

[Brent Maguire]

Stamets has barely hit in the minors and is nowhere near as good with the glove. We're talking about the difference between a 0-0.5 WAR player and a proven 3+ WAR player in the majors. That comparison is asinine. 

[Lou]

On 11/14/2015 at 7:10 AM, Glen said:

Simmons' bat = Pujols' feet.

So no, no hope.

I agree 

[Lou]

On 11/13/2015 at 9:19 PM, Lou said:

Bought high and sold low?

Aybar's defense at this point isn't in the same stratosphere as Simmons' defense

 

On 11/13/2015 at 9:24 PM, Lou said:

and why would you want to extend Aybar when he's 33 yrs old?

Something tells me you haven't seen Simmons play much. To give you an idea, the Braves were insisting on either deGrom or Harvey from the Mets for him.

 

On 11/13/2015 at 9:40 PM, laagamer said:

I like that. Fair comparison because Eybar was always above average.

 

On 11/13/2015 at 9:43 PM, Lou said:

operative word is "was"

 

On 11/18/2015 at 11:46 AM, Lou said:

the gap between their play defensively is huge. Defensively, Simmons will be the best ss in team history.

hello

 

[Angel Oracle]

It wouldn't be an off day without Lou's bumping.

[Inside Pitch]

5 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

It wouldn't be an off day without Lou's bumping.

Mrs. Lou agrees with you...

[bloodbrother]

On 11/13/2015 at 9:58 PM, bloodbrother said:

 

Aybar's defense wasn't that good this past season and isn't in the same league as Simmons. No other SS is and no other defender may dominate their position more than Simmons does. Not sure what you mean by buying high and selling low. Angels just got a SS who is 5 years younger and under contract for 5 more years who will be more valuable than Aybar will be

[Angelsfan1984]

No probably not.

[Lou]

37 minutes ago, bloodbrother said:

 

Allow me....

On 11/12/2015 at 3:45 PM, bloodbrother said:

Lol Angels even chipping in some money WTF man

 

On 11/12/2015 at 3:48 PM, bloodbrother said:

I mean, Simmons gives this team a SS on a very nice deal for the next 5 years....but this offense was terrible last season and has ltitle to no bats in the minors. If you are going to deal your top prospect, you gotta do it for an impact bat....not a stud defensive SS

 

On 11/12/2015 at 3:50 PM, bloodbrother said:

I know the team has a lot of young pitching but I don't like this at all. Aybar, Ellis + lower level spect sure, but not Newcomb. Not for a all glove, weak bat SS

 

On 11/12/2015 at 3:59 PM, bloodbrother said:

The weak ass farm finally has a gem in Newcomb and they immediately ship him off for a defensive SS when the offense couldn't hit for shit

 

On 11/12/2015 at 4:17 PM, bloodbrother said:

Not a good first impression by the new GM but will wait to see what else they have planned. Still, losing Newcomb for an all glove SS just doesn't look good at all.

 

[Blarg]

Something, something, a devil's playground.

[bloodbrother]

I totally redeemed myself later with a clutch doink single!

On 11/12/2015 at 4:54 PM, bloodbrother said:

Here is my official stance on this deal(just so it's there for when this thread inevitably gets bumped months from now)

 

 

Love getting Simmons. The team now has a hard position to fill locked up for the next 5 years. Simmons defense is far above any other SS in the league. It's that great. Adding him to the infield will help the entire pitching staff out tremendously

 

I just do not like the price...mainly giving up Newcomb. If they were going to deal their only real high-end trade chip fro their farm, I'd wish it would have went in a deal that landed this team an impact bat. That's the only thing I don't like in this

 

If they end up signing somebody like Gordon or Heyward + signing a FA SP....this will start to make a lot more sense.

 

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, bloodbrother said:

I totally redeemed myself later with a clutch doink single!

 

It's a line drive in the boxscore

[Second Base]

Man, I was so pissed over that deal. I've already eaten my crow on this one, but good God. In my anger I basically called the greatest defensive shortstop maybe ever to a glorified Eric Stamets, who looks superb....in AAA.

Sean Newcomb, the more I watch, the more I realize he's basically C.J. Wilson with three more ticks on his fastball. This is his fifth year in Major League Baseball and he's made ZERO adjustments. How good Newcomb is right now is how good he was in 2014. I don't know if he'll ever find the plate.

He still looks like a good pitcher and will probably always succeed because of the quality of his offerings. But he may never be the sort of pitcher that goes further than 4-5 innings per outing. I mean his career WHIP is 1.6. He's basically putting two batters on every inning.

Plays with fire all night long just like CJ did.

[laagamer]

I'm confused how my comment was derogatory lol

[zenmaster]

Something about a sun shining on a dog's ass and a broken clock blah blah blah

[Lou]

24 minutes ago, laagamer said:

I'm confused how my comment was derogatory lol

It wasn't. It was included to give context to my response.

You're good, buddy. 

[Angel Oracle]

This was the trade that set the tone for Eppler's improving of the franchise.     In Eppler We Trust

[eligrba]

I supported this trade from the very beginning.

[GrittyVeterans]

On 11/18/2015 at 8:41 PM, Scotty@AW said:

The way I see it, you could get defensive specialist SS for next to nothing off the scrap heap. Now granted,my hey wouldn't be aka good as Simmons is defensively, but they would be good. I mean the Angels had a wizard of their own in Eric Stamets before trading him away. I just don't see a ton of difference between Simmons and a guy like Stamets. They both play good defense and have trouble hitting.

I'd have kept Aybar and the prospects. He's only going to be 32 next year. Erick still has another 4 years or so of production left in him. If they really wanted to trade Newcomb and Ellis, they could have landed something we actually need, like a front of the rotation starter or a stud LF. Or better yet, we could have kept both and then we'd have the front of the rotation starter we need a year from now and a damn fine 3/4/5 starter in Ellis.

But it's over and fine with now. No use in complaining. Might as well just appreciate what we have, which is a twice in a lifetime defensive SS that might learn how to hit in the next 5 years.

Wow this was absolute insanity at the time, and even worse now

[Second Base]

1 minute ago, GrittyVeterans said:

Wow this was absolute insanity at the time, and even worse now

Yup, ate that crow already.