Butcher and Baylor fired

[Guest]

Where were all these feel good Butcher stories before he was fired?

[moccasin]

Actually both are cancer survivors, I'll stand up for them for that fact alone.

Didn't know that. In my understanding, Baylor wasn't with the team on road trips on many occasions, and missed a lot of games. He certainly had the expertise, but probably wasn't fit enough to do his job through the grind of the season. 

[bloodbrother]

Bud Black is still out there right? Maybe he returns as pitching coach....that'd be sweet

[tomsred]

Where were all these feel good Butcher stories before he was fired?

 

Too many people were too busy crying about "how he sleeps like a baby".  They would rather bury him on something ludicrous, than confuse the image with additional facts.

[Section517]

I thought Bud Black was scheduled to interview for the Nationals manager's vacancy.

[Troll Daddy]

Baylor was a no brainier ..: Butcher not so much. I think this decision was more of a decision by committee which included yours truly.

[LAAMike]

I thought that non compete clauses were legal if you actually got compensated for them.  Non compete clauses when there is no additional compensation are not enforceable in California. 

[Troll Daddy]

Just a hunch but I think all the hoopla about not sharing information was more about Baylor than Scioscia. Baylor is more old school than Scioscia. Scioscia has been know to be a stats guy.

[ukyah]

i can understand wanting black for pitching coach, but for the life of me, why do some of you guys want him as a managerial replacement? he was god awful in san diego and it wasn't just because of his roster. his management was really bad.

[tomsred]

i can understand wanting black for pitching coach, but for the life of me, why do some of you guys want him as a managerial replacement? he was god awful in san diego and it wasn't just because of his roster. his management was really bad.

It's a reasonable question, do pitching coaches make good managers? I can't think of any who have become winning managers. Maybe you guys have examples?

[ABC]

The idea of a single Manager seems old-school. Maybe it makes more sense to have a locker-room manager to keep personalities in check and to resolve personal issues and an in-game manager to make decisions on the field. What is a bench coach for?

[Tank]

Bring in Salmon or Bengie for hitting coach?

 

you mean two guys who've never coached before? pass.

[Tank]

i can understand wanting black for pitching coach, but for the life of me, why do some of you guys want him as a managerial replacement? he was god awful in san diego and it wasn't just because of his roster. his management was really bad.

 

totally agree. 

 

black would be fine to resume his job as pitching coach. anything other than that wouldn't be a good idea.

[Lou]

Langston and Salmon replacing them would be cool.

So would hiring guys that have actually done it for a day in their lives

[Lou]

Bring in Salmon or Bengie for hitting coach?

So would hiring guys that have actually done it for a day in their lives

[Lou]

Fire all the competent coaches around you. Surround yourself with worse choices than yourself for job security!

Competent?

I guess that's why Sark was fired, too

[Lou]

Looks like Baylor had to leave because of health reasons. He's pretty old and had surgery. Butcher on the other hand..

Where did you get this from?

Seems to me that if that were the case he wouldn't have been "fired"

[Stradling]

Butcher had a good story about when he was in little league. He didn't want to pitch because he was afraid to hit someone so he told his dad. His dad told him not to worry about it and that if he hits someone he should hit the next one too. So he goes out there and sure enough, he hits the first batter he faces. Second kid steps in the box and Mike hits him too. So the kid on deck starts to cry.

Butchers dad for manager/pitching coach.

[Stradling]

So when the Angels don't re-sign Victorino and Iannetta will we get a thread about them being fired?

[Oz27]

So when the Angels don't re-sign Victorino and Iannetta will we get a thread about them being fired?

For the love of God that is absurd.

[Stradling]

For the love of God that is absurd.

Neither of them had contracts past this year and Baylor has been asked to stay with the organization. So them being fired is also absurd.

If in three years when Scioscia's contract is not extended will we consider him fired?

Edited October 14, 2015 by Stradling

[Oz27]

Neither of them had contracts past this year and Baylor has been asked to stay with the organization. So them being fired is also absurd.

If in three years when Scioscia's contract is not extended will we consider him fired?

Troll Daddy would be proud of this effort.

[Redondo]

 

 I just hope we attract some great replacements.

 

+1

[Jason]

Troll Daddy would be proud of this effort.

Maybe but what he's saying is true. This has a cleaning house feeling and it is a good thing.

[Stradling]

Troll Daddy would be proud of this effort.

Ok but explain to me where I'm wrong. I guess I could just look at it different in that in baseball you're only really fired if they're still paying you to be gone. These two no longer had contracts, in my mind there's a difference.