Is something wrong with CJ?

[Angelsjunky]

Through the fourth inning tonight he's given up 16 earned runs in his last 12.2 IP, which is good for an ERA of 11.37 over his last three starts. That seems to imply something is wrong.

[Taylor]

Yep. He skus.

[tdawg87]

Obviously.

[Season Over]

He looks fine

[bloodbrother]

Suffering from Joe Blantonitis

[JarsOfClay]

maybe tipping his pitches...the other team always seems to know what's coming.

[Sully151]

I think his hair is out of whack and that is throwing him off.

[Guest]

Well, he's clearly not very good. 

[Glen]

Butcher to the rescue!

[Jason]

His breaking ball has been garbage lately and his fastball isn't good enough on its own.

[The God of Runs]

He is what he is, a 3/4 type pitcher who was slated at 2 for the Halos. Weaver is on the decline. Richards is the ace now. Hopefully Shoemaker can continue to pitch well and either Santiago or Skaggs emerges

[wopphil]

His ERA+ is continuing down from the mediocre level to the crap level.

[ukyah]

i love how cj sucks now. granted he's been struggling his last few starts, but he's been stellar to near stellar his entire contract with the angels.

[Glen]

Stellar?

[tdawg87]

i love how cj sucks now. granted he's been struggling his last few starts, but he's been stellar to near stellar his entire contract with the angels.

 

His ERA+ in his first full season here was 100. In other words, completely average. Last year it was 111, not bad but not even close to "stellar". This year it is well below average.

 

So yeah no.

[wopphil]

His ERA+ in his first full season here was 100. In other words, completely average. Last year it was 111, not bad but not even close to "stellar". This year it is well below average.

So yeah no.

Yep. Sorry Ukyah, CJ has been far from stellar as an Angel. He has been almost totally average, with a few extra points for staying healthy.

[Stradling]

Dead arm period

[Waybackman]

CJ Wilson is just another example of the Angels overpaying for an overhyped player. Hitters have totally figured him out. He and Weaver have become a notch above batting practice pitchers. It will be very difficult if we make it to the postseason with these two starters.

[wopphil]

CJ Wilson is just another example of the Angels overpaying for an overhyped player. Hitters have totally figured him out. He and Weaver have become a notch above batting practice pitchers. It will be very difficult if we make it to the postseason with these two starters.

Which is why it is so important for them to develop arms on a consistent basis. The cost of mediocrity is high.

[ukyah]

His ERA+ in his first full season here was 100. In other words, completely average. Last year it was 111, not bad but not even close to "stellar". This year it is well below average.

 

So yeah no.

 

 

i subscribe to the advanced metrics of baseball thinking, but i don't think they are omniscient. cj wilson, has his shortcomings for sure, i'm not saying he's a true ace or anything like that. he has pitched 2 1/2 years for the angels he has given them over 200 innings of production per season and has his era well under 4 and under 3.5 for one whole season. 

 

i can promise you that when dipoto is assembling the angels squad for the upcoming season that they look at a total of approximately 1,450 innings and how they are going to cover those. dipoto and any other gm looks at any pitcher that can give them 200+ innings of well under 4 era, most times, and that guy is considered stellar. you guys may not agree, but i know the gm's are in my corner.

[JAHV76]

He needs to switch from head and shoulders to selsom blue.

[ELEVEN]

Selsom blue everybody knows one...

[Sherlock31]

CJ AVG 15 W for the last years with the Angels with EAR around 3.60, I think that is pretty good for 15 Mil/Y

[LAAFANofLA]

i love how cj sucks now. granted he's been struggling his last few starts, but he's been stellar to near stellar his entire contract with the angels.

 

he's talking about cron guys, relax.

[stormngt]

You obviously did not watch the second half of 2012

i love how cj sucks now. granted he's been struggling his last few starts, but he's been stellar to near stellar his entire contract with the angels.