Hector Santiago has been just OK

[Docwaukee]

This is why we miss Joe Madden. He was all over these situational stats when with the Angels and had Scioscia's ear.

even with that being a very small sample, Conger as Hector's catcher just makes sense.  Hector nibbles a bit and Conger is a better framer.  Also, in every start that Hector has had with Chris there have been several pitches in key situations where it just seemed like the wrong one to ask Hector to throw.  Not that it wouldn't have worked out if the pitch was executed properly, but the catcher very much has to know what their pitcher is capable of in key situations.  I don't really feel like Iannetta is very good at that in general with any of our pitchers but with Hector it's key because of him getting in constant trouble. 

[jshep]

That said, I'm a Matt Shoemaker be liver for the rotation. If he's our 5th guy he'll give us quality innings. His command is good and his cutter/split can generate whiffs.

Give Santiago till mid-May, early June. If it's not happening, move Santiago to the back end of our bullpen.

We didn't lose the game because of Santiago or our bullpen. We lost the game because we didn't capitalize offensively against mediocre starting pitching and a Yankees bullpen that's ranked lower than ours today.

 

...and Santiago pitching like crap and not making it out of the 5th didn't help either.

Edited April 26, 2014 by jshep

[Docwaukee]

That said, I'm a Matt Shoemaker be liver for the rotation. If he's our 5th guy he'll give us quality innings. His command is good and his cutter/split can generate whiffs.

Give Santiago till mid-May, early June. If it's not happening, move Santiago to the back end of our bullpen.

We didn't lose the game because of Santiago or our bullpen. We lost the game because we didn't capitalize offensively against mediocre starting pitching and a Yankees bullpen that's ranked lower than ours today.

 

I feel like Shoemaker would be a nice fit as a #5, but I still feel like Hector has the better stuff and is still developing.  Shoemaker would be the guys that does well for a few starts and then has a couple where he gives up 7 runs in 2.1ip.  For now, I like giving Santiago an entire year before moving him out of the rotation unless he completely unravels. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

I wasnt big on him going in, but everyone else seemed excited.

That said, hes fine as a back end roatation guy. And im confidant he'll have more games where he teases us into thinking hes a stud than games we hate him.

[Glen]

It's been four starts, we should give up totally on our unproven #5 starter.

 

****'s sake, people.  Give him some time to develop or not develop.

[Angels]

He allows way too many walks (and subsequently baserunners) for him to be successful on a consistent basis. He's also an extreme flyball pitcher which can be problematic when he pitches in hitters' parks.

He seems like a good dude off the field so I'll be rooting for him to make it as a starter..but the indicators aren't good. He would probably be better off as a bullpen arm and swingman.

[Taylor]

I agree with this thread, until Santiago has a good start. Then I disagree. But when he has another bad start, I'll agree again.

[Angel Oracle]

There is a lot of a younger CJ in Santiago. Both have good stuff, a variety of pitches, and despite some command issues keep the ERA reasonable enough.

The one difference is CJ having the better GB/FB ratio, and thus fewer HRs allowed.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Angel Oracle

[eligrba]

His youth and upside is worth the waiting.....

[Jason]

0-4 is not OK

[Fontana Halo]

He has great stuff he just gets really erratic. He could be really good some day. Guys like him make me want to change pitching coaches.

[SoWhat]

It's been four starts, we should give up totally on our unproven #5 starter.

****'s sake, people. Give him some time to develop or not develop.

This^

According to AW, Richards will win the cy young and Santiago is Blanton 2.0 after four weeks into the season.

Edited April 27, 2014 by SoWhat

[NrM]

Before Trumbo was traded, I thought the angels would only be able to get a 4th or 5th starter.

Instead they got a 4th or 5th starter along with a guy who has the potential to be a number 2.

 

Plus, I think Santiago still has some upside potential to be a number 3.

Edited April 27, 2014 by Poozy

[Chuck]

I agree with this thread, until Santiago has a good start. Then I disagree. But when he has another bad start, I'll agree again.

lol

[Chuck]

This^

According to AW, Richards will win the cy young and Santiago is Blanton 2.0 after four weeks into the season.

Yup!

[Tyler]

I think he's best suited for the bullpen, but if we can get 6 innings of baseball with no more than 3 ER allowed, then I'll be fine with him being a placeholder until another candidate emerges for the rotation.

[Brent Maguire]

Santiago hasn't been very good but he also hasn't been terrible. I can live with him as the #5 guy although I would like him to pitch a little deeper into games.

It's also worth noting that his fastball velocity is down from 91.8 to 91.2 this season. Pretty size able difference so I'm hoping he sees a little uptick.

[Second Base]

Santi's a breath of fresh air. He's better than Hanson and Blanton, and is likely equal to or a slight step above Vargas across a full year. The difference is Vargas is 31 and would've cost 8 million a year, Santi's 26 and plays for the league minimum. Not to mention he's a great clubhouse and community guy.

[Inside Pitch]

Personally, I think Santiago is pressing, trying to get that first win and prove his worth.  I expect him to get that win out of the way and go on a nice little run.  He's seen two of hi games get derailed by the bullpen, probably thinks he needs to do it all on his own currently.

[Spirit]

Nickname that works: Weav for Weaver.

Nicknames that don't work: Richie for Richards, Skaggie, Aggie or Ska for Skaggs, Willie for Wilson and Santi for Santiago.

[Chuck]

Santi's a breath of fresh air. He's better than Hanson and Blanton, and is likely equal to or a slight step above Vargas across a full year. The difference is Vargas is 31 and would've cost 8 million a year, Santi's 26 and plays for the league minimum. Not to mention he's a great clubhouse and community guy.

Agreed.

[Stradling]

This^

According to AW, Richards will win the cy young and Santiago is Blanton 2.0 after four weeks into the season.

To be fair us here at AW thought Santiago was as bad as Balnton after just two starts. We had a nice long thread about it.

[Glen]

Nickname that works: Weav for Weaver.

Nicknames that don't work: Richie for Richards, Skaggie, Aggie or Ska for Skaggs, Willie for Wilson and Santi for Santiago.

I think we should call him Code Red.

[Stradling]

It would be nice to see the offense pick him up and help him get that first win.

[Chuck]

To be fair us here at AW thought Santiago was as bad as Balnton after just two starts. We had a nice long thread about it.

Define "us"?