Santiago 'shocked' he was pulled after 83 pitches

[YouthofToday]

Santiago walked 3, gave up 7 hits and struck out 4 in 5 innings. That is way too many base runners.

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Maybe there's a reason that the hitting sucks too. But so far everyone staying quiet on that side.

[nate]

Next time Scioscia can leave him in to throw 110 pitches and give up 6 runs.  I agreed with the hook on Santiago.

[BaseballMom]

From that quote, I took it that Santiago was more upset with himself than Scioscia....you guys are trying too hard.

[Marsaka]

i dont mind taking out santiago early.  the mistake was bringing in salas as his replacement instead of joe smith.  smith had yet to pitch in a game this series, angels have a day off tomorrow and with the team down by a couple runs, about to be swept, scioscia brings in a junk reliever to make the game out of reach?

 

can someone show me the clause in joe smith's contract that only allows him to pitch after the 7th inning.  he's being paid 6m a year to sit on his ass apparently.  

[Jim]

Don't hold your breath, Arte doesn't have the gonads to fire Scioscia. If you ask me, he seems to be scared of him.

Butcher should have been canned long ago, but don't want to piss off Scioscia, or he'll go off like he did when Hatcher got the ax.

Are you seriously suggesting that Arte should can the Manager after the third game of the season? Even you can't honestly believe this would send any other message to the team, the league, the world, that your organization is f'ed up beyond all recognition, can you? 

 

Letting Butcher hit the skids is a soothing thought for me, right up to the time I think of whom we will be replacing him with. Remember, Dipoto is the guy who brought in much of the crap we are currently viewing on the field, and he would be the one picking the replacement. Still, I think it would be worth a throw of the dart. But again, it screams to the world that we are in panic mode after the first few games of the season. Not really sure that would help at this point. 

 

 

[nando714]

Also if he was having a back issue.

Why didn't the trainer go out there and talk to Santiago? Weird

[AngelsFaninGA]

Not that Santiago was pitching well, but Weaver was left out to dry when it was clear he was done after the 6th inning. 

[Brandon]

Maybe the three pitchers should be critical of their own performance instead of deflecting blame.

[Bobster7587]

Hector did not pitch well last night. He should be shocked that his control was so terrible.

[jshep]

i dont mind taking out santiago early.  the mistake was bringing in salas as his replacement instead of joe smith.  smith had yet to pitch in a game this series, angels have a day off tomorrow and with the team down by a couple runs, about to be swept, scioscia brings in a junk reliever to make the game out of reach?

 

can someone show me the clause in joe smith's contract that only allows him to pitch after the 7th inning.  he's being paid 6m a year to sit on his ass apparently.  

 

 

It's the "Set in stone bullpen roles are dumb and managers are ridiculously stubborn" clause

Edited April 3, 2014 by jshep

[Fontana Halo]

Scioscia truly has no clue. I'm convinced he's on drugs. Or has developed an undiagnosed mental processing disorder.

[nando714]

Scioscia truly has no clue. I'm convinced he's on drugs. Or has developed an undiagnosed mental processing disorder.

Manages like he has a iron clad contract

Oh wait...

[mtangelsfan]

This team sucks, but was Santiago pitching well? 

[Lhalo]

This quote made no sense to me:

 

It was clear Wilson did not like the move, but he did not want to elaborate, other than to say that the pitch Smoak hit was “crappy.” Catcher Hank Conger â€œwanted it in one place, I wanted it in another, and I threw it right down the middle,” Wilson said. “The best thing I could have done right there is miss wildly.”

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-cj-wilson-angels-20140401,0,1650009.story#ixzz2xqLCKohI

 

Why did he want the pitch in a different place other than Conger wanted it to be? If Conger places his glove down low and inside, does CJ ignore him and throw it high and away? Can he just throw pitches wherever he chooses, catcher and manager be damned?

[bloodbrother]

This team sucks, but was Santiago pitching well? 

 

Nope. 10 baserunners in 5 innings. Dude was fortunate he had only given up 1 run at that point. All 3 lefties in this rotation will be struggling to get through 6 innings with their command issues

[Brandon]

Sounds like another fire Sosh claim.

 

"He can't even get the pitchers to pitch where the catcher calls for!"

[jshep]

Nope. 10 baserunners in 5 innings. Dude was fortunate he had only given up 1 run at that point. All 3 lefties in this rotation will be struggling to get through 6 innings with their command issues

Well at least they'll get picked up by our stable of reliable reliev-

Hahahahaha, sorry I can't even finish that as a joke.

[Homebrewer]

Catcher Hank Conger â€œwanted it in one place, I wanted it in another, and I threw it right down the middle,”

 

Looks to me that this is pretty much the state of the entire Angels pitching corps this season.

Come on.... 26 runs in 3 games started by your 1-2 and 3 starters??

This is just another reason to can Butcher. I don't really care if it is all his fault or not, I don't care who they bring in to replace him, and I'm sure he is a nice guy etc etc..there is a mess here that needs cleaning up, and the pitching is the messiest.

 

Just the fact that he is sent packing might possibly wake this team up." Hey, guys are going to lose jobs if we play like crap?

That never happened before!" All the talk about getting off to a decent start hasn't worked, so it is high time for a wake up call.

If Butchy is chosen as the sacrificial lamb to make these guys understand that this is serious, then I am 100% behind it.

[Brandon]

Catcher Hank Conger â€œwanted it in one place, I wanted it in another, and I threw it right down the middle,”

 

Looks to me that this is pretty much the state of the entire Angels pitching corps this season.

Come on.... 26 runs in 3 games started by your 1-2 and 3 starters??

This is just another reason to can Butcher. I don't really care if it is all his fault or not, I don't care who they bring in to replace him, and I'm sure he is a nice guy etc etc..there is a mess here that needs cleaning up, and the pitching is the messiest.

 

Just the fact that he is sent packing might possibly wake this team up." Hey, guys are going to lose jobs if we play like crap?

That never happened before!" All the talk about getting off to a decent start hasn't worked, so it is high time for a wake up call.

If Butchy is chosen as the sacrificial lamb to make these guys understand that this is serious, then I am 100% behind it.

 

Solid business acumen.

[Homebrewer]

Solid business acumen.

Really? You mean like 10 year contracts to aging, declining, former stars.. and  f'n managers is a model of solid business thinking?

This franchise has increased in value by over a half billion dollars since Arte became the owner. That is the business side, and it is doing just fine.

Winning is the gravy, you know, something for the fans and players...it's the goal.

You tellin me no business with "acumen" would fire a mid manager who wasn't getting results, after many years in a job?

[Brandon]

The way you described, yes.

[Chuck]

Couldn't have started the season any worse. Whooped by the Mariners in 3 blowout losses, and already we have their 3 starters with unhappy comments regarding things. Oye

 

 

Yeah. Not a good sign!