BA ranks Angels farm 30th (hilarious Servais quote)

[Scott34]

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article/ana/angels-goal-to-continue-improving-farm-system?ymd=20140110&content_id=66468912

 

"I'm not going to cry in my beer over it," Servais said. "It's Baseball America. At the end of the day, the goal is to get much higher, and I believe we will."

 

[Tyler]

Maybe they should put the beers down while they're scouting.

[HaloFan85]

Is the problem scouting or player development?  I'm thinking the latter.

[Adam]

More Mexicans, please.

 

Thanks

[mtangelsfan]

More Mexicans, please.

 

Thanks

 

Do Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and Venezuelans count?

[Adam]

They're Mexicans, aren't they?

[Taylor]

Thanks Reagins!

[NrM]

Thanks Stoneman!

[AZMike]

Dipoto's policy of not signing players with draft pick compensation means we won't be able to bring back Santana =(

[Richard]

More Mexicans, please.

 

Thanks

 

 

You rang? 

[Angel Dog and Beer]

Aaaaaaand from the comments section:

 

02dreams 8 minutes ago

Really Alden, accepting Cowart as our poster boy is part of what is tearing us down.

Just because MLB won't recognize what Borenstein did in the Cal League this year and Cron in the AFL this year, both of them literally beating the sh**  out of some of these punky boys,  who already have their million dollar checks in the bank, doesn't mean we can't start getting a little smarter.

With the full posse behind them, including Sappington. Roth, Wood, Eduar Lopez, Sanchez, Morin, Alvarez, Hunter Green, Grant Green, Towey, Yarbrough, Lindsey, Stamets, Shoemaker, Michael Snyder, Skaggs, Maronde, Rondon, Clevenger, and with our first high A championship in fifteen years, (which the Angel's purposely failed to publicize), and almost taking the Double AA championship, how do you even have the gall to show Cowart's face, unless you are getting under the table money, or out of fear of Arte, you are promoting excuses to continue the twelve year, failed philosophy.

 Maybe, just maybe, a few of us are getting wise to the MLB hype, orchestrated and encouraged by a stubborn, Angel  front office, fearful of their boss, and his vet kissing, manager, and their twelve year failed philosophy, paralleling  fear or their job security, who continue to perpetuate the blatant, malicious, hoax of the "stigma of the worst minor league system in baseball".

 

Some of this sounds familiar. Its got to be the same guy, right?

 

[Second Base]

Servais is awesome.  The team of analysts he's put together are the best in the business.  Dipoto struck gold when he lured him away from Texas.  The reality is, these prospect rankings are extremely short-sighted.  You have to pay attention to scouting, drafting, roving structors in place, organizational philosophies...everything.

 

This organization went through a complete reboot on the minor league and international side of things 2 years ago.  Dipoto inherited a system with few top prospects, broken communication between scouting and staff, inconsistent instruction and a non-existent presence in Latin America due to scandal.  Jerry and Scott not only needed to supply the big league club with elite talent to build a contender, they also had to construct a minor league infrastructure from scratch.  

 

There have been mistakes made along the way (forfeiting Roach, Pena, Hellweg, Chatwood and any pitching depth they may have had), but when you look at it in a greater sense, they're in the process of doing some amazing things.  If the same staff stays in place and they keep in the direction they're headed, give in 2-3 years and the Angels will have a Top 20 farm, another couple years after that they'll have a top 10 farm. 

 

The real trick is how the organization reloads after graduating a crop of talent.  The Angels produced Bourjos, Trumbo, Trout, Richards, Chatwood and Segura all in a very short amount of time.  Ideally, you'd spend heavily in Latin America and buy less free agents because of the young presence, thus securing your higher drafts picks.  That wasn't the case with the Angels.  They were essentially broken. 

[nate]

I mean we all knew the farm was bad.  This doesn't shock me at all.

[stevestevens]

 

Aaaaaaand from the comments section:

 

02dreams 8 minutes ago

Really Alden, accepting Cowart as our poster boy is part of what is tearing us down.

Just because MLB won't recognize what Borenstein did in the Cal League this year and Cron in the AFL this year, both of them literally beating the sh**  out of some of these punky boys,  who already have their million dollar checks in the bank, doesn't mean we can't start getting a little smarter.

With the full posse behind them, including Sappington. Roth, Wood, Eduar Lopez, Sanchez, Morin, Alvarez, Hunter Green, Grant Green, Towey, Yarbrough, Lindsey, Stamets, Shoemaker, Michael Snyder, Skaggs, Maronde, Rondon, Clevenger, and with our first high A championship in fifteen years, (which the Angel's purposely failed to publicize), and almost taking the Double AA championship, how do you even have the gall to show Cowart's face, unless you are getting under the table money, or out of fear of Arte, you are promoting excuses to continue the twelve year, failed philosophy.

 Maybe, just maybe, a few of us are getting wise to the MLB hype, orchestrated and encouraged by a stubborn, Angel  front office, fearful of their boss, and his vet kissing, manager, and their twelve year failed philosophy, paralleling  fear or their job security, who continue to perpetuate the blatant, malicious, hoax of the "stigma of the worst minor league system in baseball".

 

Some of this sounds familiar. Its got to be the same guy, right?

 

 

 

nope.  That guy hated Cron.

[Second Base]

 

Aaaaaaand from the comments section:

 

Some of this sounds familiar. Its got to be the same guy, right?

 

 

 

I'm not sure it is.  He's negative just like Ziegler was, but that guy absolutely hated Cron with a passion, whereas this guy seems to like him.  Then again, he did focus some of the attention on the Cal League and AFL teams, both of which Borenstein was apart of, so it could be.  Regardless, that guy is an infectious disease.  

[stevestevens]

This article is complete crap by the way.  I have us at 29.  No way we are below that. 

[Docwaukee]

the halos also have some pieces in the mlb club they could move to provide nourishment to the farm system if the shit hits the fan in 2014 or 2015. 

[Ohtaniland]

This article is complete crap by the way.  I have us at 29.  No way we are below that. 

 

Enlightening but I'm still crying in my beer. 

[Angelsjunky]

Servais is awesome.  The team of analysts he's put together are the best in the business.  Dipoto struck gold when he lured him away from Texas.  The reality is, these prospect rankings are extremely short-sighted.  You have to pay attention to scouting, drafting, roving structors in place, organizational philosophies...everything.

 

This organization went through a complete reboot on the minor league and international side of things 2 years ago.  Dipoto inherited a system with few top prospects, broken communication between scouting and staff, inconsistent instruction and a non-existent presence in Latin America due to scandal.  Jerry and Scott not only needed to supply the big league club with elite talent to build a contender, they also had to construct a minor league infrastructure from scratch.  

 

There have been mistakes made along the way (forfeiting Roach, Pena, Hellweg, Chatwood and any pitching depth they may have had), but when you look at it in a greater sense, they're in the process of doing some amazing things.  If the same staff stays in place and they keep in the direction they're headed, give in 2-3 years and the Angels will have a Top 20 farm, another couple years after that they'll have a top 10 farm. 

 

The real trick is how the organization reloads after graduating a crop of talent.  The Angels produced Bourjos, Trumbo, Trout, Richards, Chatwood and Segura all in a very short amount of time.  Ideally, you'd spend heavily in Latin America and buy less free agents because of the young presence, thus securing your higher drafts picks.  That wasn't the case with the Angels.  They were essentially broken. 

 

The prospect rankings are snapshots of the farm system right now, so by their nature are "short-sighted."

 

What you describe as a possible future for the system could be true of any system,but is also not as optimistic (top 20 in 2-3 years, top 10 in another couple) as your use of the term "amazing things." I would think "amazing things" would yield quicker results when farm rankings fluctuate already, so that an org could go up or down 5 or even more rankings in a year depending upon draft and development.

 

Obviously the proof will be in the pudding. I don't feel qualified to strategize a way forward, but the farm can only get better because its about as bad as it gets. Hopefully Servais and his crew are as good as you say they are.

[Docwaukee]

Sometimes the planets align and there are years of prosperity.....and sometimes there is famine and plague. 

 

I think the halos did a pretty good job of seeing the future, they just prepared for it poorly with bad luck on top of it. 

 

I think they recognized that the farm system was going to be pretty poor and that TV money was coming to the league and to halos big time so they hit the FA market hard the two years prior.  They just chose a bunch of the wrong players. 

 

The very guy that had just pilfered the team of  their two best pitching prospects was now in charge and recognized that the entire farm system needed revamping and that a lot of the existing talent was potentially over valued.  They just picked the wrong player (to trade for in using those existing players).

 

They recognized a general lack of farm talent on the SP/RP side and knew they would need to find a bunch of stop gap guys to eat innings and keep the team competitive.  They just picked the wrong guys. 

 

2014 is where it all get's better or all comes completely crashing down. 

[nikkachez]

I don't know, the White Sox and Brewers systems look worse than ours 

[Mark68]

Maybe they should put the beers down while they're scouting.

Or they should at least not be looking thru beer goggles while scouting.

[HaloFan85]

Servais is awesome.  The team of analysts he's put together are the best in the business.  Dipoto struck gold when he lured him away from Texas.  The reality is, these prospect rankings are extremely short-sighted.  You have to pay attention to scouting, drafting, roving structors in place, organizational philosophies...everything.

 

This organization went through a complete reboot on the minor league and international side of things 2 years ago.  Dipoto inherited a system with few top prospects, broken communication between scouting and staff, inconsistent instruction and a non-existent presence in Latin America due to scandal.  Jerry and Scott not only needed to supply the big league club with elite talent to build a contender, they also had to construct a minor league infrastructure from scratch.  

 

There have been mistakes made along the way (forfeiting Roach, Pena, Hellweg, Chatwood and any pitching depth they may have had), but when you look at it in a greater sense, they're in the process of doing some amazing things.  If the same staff stays in place and they keep in the direction they're headed, give in 2-3 years and the Angels will have a Top 20 farm, another couple years after that they'll have a top 10 farm. 

 

The real trick is how the organization reloads after graduating a crop of talent.  The Angels produced Bourjos, Trumbo, Trout, Richards, Chatwood and Segura all in a very short amount of time.  Ideally, you'd spend heavily in Latin America and buy less free agents because of the young presence, thus securing your higher drafts picks.  That wasn't the case with the Angels.  They were essentially broken. 

Does that include Bobby Scales aka Director of Player Development!!??

 

A guy who goes directly from AAAA free agency to Director of Player Development for the Angels (with no resume) overnight, is beyond me.  Oh, but Servais likes his work ethic, so he must be must be qualified!

[YouthofToday]

The farm system is seems completely void of players, other than Lindsey, who project as above average starters or position players.

We got here largely thanks to the previous regime, ownership refusing to go much above slot under the old Rule 4 draft, ownership not spending money overseas and really ill advised trades.

It's going to take time to start producing talent -- even if it is to make another short-sighted trade at a future trade deadline to make the "playoffs" aka wild card game aka coin flip game.

I would like the management team to prove me wrong.

[floplag]

simple fix, trade Trout for whoever the #1 farm is... like all of them, lol