2014 HOF Vote (Angelswin Results are in!)

[YouthofToday]

I really don't agree with Morris being deserving.

Player A career fWAR: 52.7

Player B career fWAR: 53.3

Player A is Jack Morris. Player B is Kevin Appier.

Morris was a nice pitcher but he isn't HOF material. His one great World Series is really making him a more popular candidate.

But but but Jack Morris "pitched to the score" better than anybody in the history of the game!

[Inside Pitch]

No way would I vote for piazza for HOF. His masquerade as a catcher was a joke. They were putting him in HOF while he was still a dodger for crying out loud. I seem to recall most of his RBI as meaningless. There were a lot of whispers about PEDs. And why would the Dodgers, a team that historically keeps homegrown players, trade las orcas godson? There is definitely an untold story here. Plus he was a pickle bait dodger.

 

His masquerading as a catcher is overstated by people who want to rip him.  Defensively he had his struggles throwing, but that's only partially on him -- his staffs were famous for long windups and being slow to the plate while with the Dodgers.  A great deal of his leading his leagues in some negative counting stats defensively also had to do with the reality he was typically in the top 3 for games played at C.   

Mike Piazza ended his career with a plus dWar, and 143 OPS+ as a catcher.  If the HOF has room for Paul Molitor there is no viable argument that can be made for not including a guy like Piazza.  

[Inside Pitch]

I really don't agree with Morris being deserving. 

 

Player A career fWAR: 52.7

Player B career fWAR: 53.3

 

Player A is Jack Morris. Player B is Kevin Appier. 

 

Morris was a nice pitcher but he isn't HOF material. His one great World Series is really making him a more popular candidate. 

 

So when does the Chuck Finley for the HOF campaign start?  Fin had a better ERA+, struck out more batters in about 800 fewer innings and oh yeah -- he posted a higher WAR over that time too, 55.9.

[mancini79]

Am I looking at this wrong or is something wrong with the polling numbers? Maddox has 25 votes out of 25 voters and has less than 15% support? Hiccup in the polling.

 

Yikes, the multiple options poll isn't calculating correctly. I will need to do a manual count.

[Homebrewer]

Glad to see Lee Smith getting some votes here. Next to Bob Gibson, the baddest dude I ever saw pitch, up close..(Wrigley Field)

If the Cubs (and Angels) had been better teams, he would be in already.

[mancini79]

I'm starting the manual ballot count. From this thread, I so far have:

Mark68

jshep

AngelsandRamsFan

Cezero

Mauch

VegasHaloFan

Stradling

Gotbeer

Cory

[Mattyball1212]

Bagwell Biggio Glavine Maddux Martinez Piazza Morris Schilling Smith Thomas

[Brandon]

Armando Benitez

 

Simply for the brawl.

[DW711]

Craig Biggio,

Jeff Kent,

Greg Maddux

Mike Piazza

Tim Raines

Curt Schilling

Frank Thomas

Edited January 4, 2014 by DW711

[Ohtaniland]

Moises Alou
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Edgar Martinez
Don Mattingly
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Lee Smith
Frank Thomas

 

 

[brianvargo]

My ballot: Bagwell, Glavine, Maddux, Martinez, Raines, Smith, Thomas

 

Brian

[ELEVEN]

Lee Smith

JT Snow

[2112]

Mussina, Glavine, Biggio, Maddox.

I hope Moose gets in,but it won't be this year.

[southpaw]

My ballot is:  Maddux, Glavine, Thomas, Bonds, Clemens, Biggio, Lee Smith, Edgar Martinez

[Brent Maguire]

Bonds, Clemens, Mussina, Thomas, Raines, Martinez, Maddux, Biggio, Glavine, Bagwell.

Piazza would be my 11th guy.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Angels_Baseball

[Agalloch]

Jeff Bagwell
Craig Biggio
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Edgar Martinez
Don Mattingly
Jack Morris
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Frank Thomas

[decinces11]

Biggio

Glavine

Maddux

Thomas

Piazza

Ralston Schmidt

[HaloMagic]

Jeff Bagwell

Craig Biggio

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Tom Galvine

Greg Maddux

Edgar Martinez

Mark McGwire

Mike Mussina

Rafael Palmeiro

Mike Piazza

Frank Thomas

Larry Walker

[xboom28x]

Maddux, Clemens, Thomas.

 

The rest can get in when I want them to. Isn't that what the media tell themselves?

[tdawg87]

I tried doing this and all of my picks came to players connected to steroids, save Maddux and Glavine. It really comes down to whether you support players with those connections being in the HOF or not. If not the choices are pretty easy.

 

I don't support steroid use or cheating in any way, but aren't the same people who vote for the HOF the ones voting for MVP awards? Seems kind of stupid.
 

[mancini79]

Jeff Bagwell

Craig Biggio

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Tom Galvine

Greg Maddux

Edgar Martinez

Mark McGwire

Mike Mussina

Rafael Palmeiro

Mike Piazza

Frank Thomas

Larry Walker

 

Last I checked, 13 is greater than 10. I'll just omit the roid users to get it down to 10 picks

[GalericX]

Maddux Mussina Biggio Raines Glavine Piazza Smith 

[Ray McKigney]

Eric Gagne
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Don Mattingly
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Hideo Nomo
Mike Piazza
 

[Ohtaniland]

I tried doing this and all of my picks came to players connected to steroids, save Maddux and Glavine. It really comes down to whether you support players with those connections being in the HOF or not. If not the choices are pretty easy.

 

I don't support steroid use or cheating in any way, but aren't the same people who vote for the HOF the ones voting for MVP awards? Seems kind of stupid.

 

 

Just vote for Jack Clark and be prepared for at least 4 pages of love. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Edgar Martinez
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Frank Thomas
Alan Trammell

 

There are probably at least five or six guys who are also deserving but who can't make the cut with a maximum of ten votes. The BBWAA has really ****ed this all up. Watch them not elect anyone again this year, even with almost 20 deserving candidates. I wonder what it would take to get the HoF to throw them out and find a new voting body that will actually elect people...