Olney: Trumbo & Bourjos on Trade Block

[Jim]

I understand trading an offensive piece or two or three for pitching pieces, but to unload just to reload…hmmm

 

I mean if Trumbo, Bourjos, and Kendrick brought us David Price, then I'm all for it. But they won't.

So you would get rid of three good everyday players for a guy who plays every fifth day?

[jshep]

Looking forward to the excitement if Dipoto were to trade Trumbo for Cashner, followed by the rants about Dipoto trading for another injury prone pitcher the first time Cashner hits the DL.

[Angel Oracle]

2013 was the first season in 2-3 years that Cashner was a starter, and he pitched 175 innings.

Hopefully, he would be good then for something like 210 innings in 2014.

He seemed to keep his pitch counts pretty solid, as over his last 9 starts in 2013 he averaged 103 pitches over 7 innings.

[jshep]

He did manage to stay healthy in 2013, and that's definitely a good sign, but his IP totals since entering pro ball:

 

2008: 20 IP

2009: 100.1 IP

2010: 111.1 IP

2011: 15.1 IP

2012: 69.2 IP

2013: 175 IP

 

And between 2011 and 2012, he missed a combined 202 games with right shoulder injuries.

 

He's certainly a talented pitcher, and I would love to have him under the right circumstances, but I would have a hard time penciling him in for 200+ innings.

[Second Base]

Wouldn't do that Pirates deal.  Heredia is really nice but has a ton of question marks.  Trumbo needs to net us a for sure starter in our 2014 rotation.

 

I thought Cumpton was the for-sure 2014 starter?  And yes, you're right about Heredia, lots of question marks but also a lot of upside. He came with a lot of hype and so far he's matched it.  I think worst case scenario is he never finds the plate and truns into Jordan Walden, which is still nice to have. 

[Scott34]

I thought Cumpton was the for-sure 2014 starter?  And yes, you're right about Heredia, lots of question marks but also a lot of upside. He came with a lot of hype and so far he's matched it.  I think worst case scenario is he never finds the plate and truns into Jordan Walden, which is still nice to have. 

 

Not sold on Cumpton.  He's more or less of a depth guy for me.  Plus, I wouldn't be able to deal with Tdawgs jokes.

[jshep]

Not sold on Cumpton.  He's more or less of a depth guy for me.  Plus, I wouldn't be able to deal with Tdawgs jokes.

 

Ya, there would be so many jokes about Cumpton/Compton, CA.

[Second Base]

Not sold on Cumpton.  He's more or less of a depth guy for me.  Plus, I wouldn't be able to deal with Tdawgs jokes.

 

See now when I think of "depth guy" I think of solid AAA SP with limited upside like Matt Shoemaker, Jerome Williams and A.J. Schugel.  Cumpton (admittedly I don't know enough about him), just seems like he's put up solid numbers at every level and is durable. But again, I don't know a ton about him and if you know more than what I can research on google than I'll believe you. 

[ettin]

Trumbo for Cashner

 

They are laughing hard at that one over at Padreswin.com

 

The funnier thing is that they are both controllable for three more years making this a pretty straight across the board trade. Cashner and Trumbo's WAR last year were basically identical.

 

[Brent Maguire]

Is Lance Lynn going to cost more than Bourjos? He's a nice middle of the rotation guy, which is what Bourjos by himself should probably net. Factor in that Jon Jay just isn't very good and the Cards depth at starters, I think Bourjos straight up for Lynn works.

[SoWhat]

Boy, Tanaka is a must.

[Second Base]

Is Lance Lynn going to cost more than Bourjos? He's a nice middle of the rotation guy, which is what Bourjos by himself should probably net. Factor in that Jon Jay just isn't very good and the Cards depth at starters, I think Bourjos straight up for Lynn works.

 

Well I look at it from the Cards perspective.  They've gone to the World Series pretty frequently and have a team built to last (seriously, Miller, Martinez, Wacha).  They'd like a good everyday CF that fits their needs, but it isn't as if they need to actively go search out one because for the next 5 years you can pencil them in as a WS contender....without Bourjos.  He's a luxury, not a necessity. 

 

Lynn may be the odd man out in their rotation, but he provides depth and reliable performance as well as innings.  In free agency, he's easily worth 6+ years at over 12 million a year.  So there's really no reason for them to deal unless you give them something they can't get elsewhere without sacrificing your farm.

 

You offer them Bourjos because that's what they need, but also realize Bourjos is in arbitration and is coming off two DL ridden seasons.  There's some risk involved for them.  You have to sweeten the pot a little.  They need a shortstop and while we can't give them one that'd start right now, we can offer one that'd start in 2-3 years and still have a good one in reserve (Jose Rondon). Finally, add a depth piece you can sell high on. I'd say that's Borenstein right now.  

 

Angels fans can wish for a Bourjos-Lynn swap and under normal circumstances, that'd be a good deal to make for both sides.  But the fact of the matter is, there are no Free Agent SP that you won't need to drastically overpay for.  The Angels are not in an advantageous position.  They're forced to overpay by default.  Which is why I am not mad about the Hanson-Walden trade.  We netted a young SP with a solid track record for a solid RP.  It didn't work out but that's still a trade I'd make this time a year ago. 

[Second Base]

And I know I'll get grilled for this, but I know the Angels discussed a Trumbo for Trevor Bauer deal with the Indians in September.  My feelings wouldn't be hurt at all if they actually made that deal.  Bauer's stock is down, but he's a local product with good minor league numbers and has been a consensus Top-20 prospect for the past two years.  He's only 22.  

 

Worst case scenario, you land a shut-down closer.  Best case scenario, you land the next Tim Lincecum that's going to come cheap through 2018.  Most likely scenario, you land yourself a #4 SP with upside. 

[SoWhat]

I would've been on board with a Bauer & Trumbo swap if it was a year ago. The guy was hitting 97 MPH with his FB in college and now sits at 88-90, no thanks

[Brent Maguire]

Lynn is definitely a good option for us so Bourjos+ a low level prospect would be ideal.

He should be able to give us 180+ innings of 3.8-4 ERA ball with lots of strikeouts. Keeps the ball in the yard too so this is a good destination.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

I would've been on board with a Bauer & Trumbo swap if it was a year ago. The guy was hitting 97 MPH with his FB in college and now sits at 88-90, no thanks

I agree. He also has attitude problems. 

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2012/12/12/trevor-bauer-diamondbacks-reds-indians-three-team-trade-miguel-montero/1765351/

 

http://www.letsgotribe.com/2013/10/22/4864518/cleveland-indians-2013-review-top-pitching-prospect-trevor-bauer

[nando714]

Lynn is definitely a good option for us so Bourjos+ a low level prospect would be ideal.

He should be able to give us 180+ innings of 3.8-4 ERA ball with lots of strikeouts. Keeps the ball in the yard too so this is a good destination.

Lets not forget Jaime Garcia but he's coming off shoulder surgery

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

I'm not a fan of Lance Lynn. His road numbers suck. The Angels should easily be able to find someone better than him.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8650/splits/?season=2013

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Bourjos should have far more trade value than Trumbo.

 

Normally he probably would have, but some potential buyers will be put off by his recent injury history.

[wopphil]

There is zero chance Trumbo gets us Cashner.

[FireThemAll]

I've seen Trevor Bauer pitch many times the last two years, not impressed. I think he's going to bust...been saying that for 2 years now. He doesn't have the command to be a good mlb starter IMO. Leaves his fastball up and his stuff while good is not that special

[2002_halos_II]

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[Troll Daddy]

Trade Bourjos ... keep Trumbo

Trade Aybar ... keep Kendrick

Trade Iannetta ... keep Conger

[YouthofToday]

Trade Bourjos ... keep Trumbo

Trade Aybar ... keep Kendrick

Trade Iannetta ... keep Conger

It all depends on what is offered -- what the market value is for each player relative to what the organization perceives as their value.

[Mark68]

Hart though would necessitate giving up the Halos 16th overall pick, unless Milwaukee doesn't offer him arb. 

People will look at his OPS and be impressed, but also have to remember that half of his games were in Miller Canaveral.

Yes, and he played half of zero games there in 2013.

 

I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him if:

 

A) He is healthy, and;

2) He doesn't cost a pick and can be signed cheap with incentives.