Put another "X" on the cops' guns

[mtangelsfan]

What in your opinion should have the police done in that situation? Waited to see if gun was real after he fired a few rounds at them?

 

Stay back?  Wait for back up?  Use the loudspeaker?  

[HaloMagic]

Wait for backup? So more people could shoot at the kid with an AK who isn't following police orders? Just what the situation needed, more bullets flying.

[Lhalo]

ya, you're right. We should rather decide their guilt and condemn them because we lack evidence to prove guilt or innocence. Great process!

I believe the FBI is conducting an investigation into the incident so we will see where that goes.

[Blarg]

Geoffrey Alpert, a professor of criminology at the University of South Carolina, said officers are typically justified in the use of deadly force when they sincerely believe lives are at stake.

 

"If it's a pink bubble gum gun and an obvious fake to most, then there is no reason to shoot," he said. "But if the gun looks real the barrel is being pointed at you ... it's unfortunate, but a perceived threat trumps age and the officers have to protect themselves."

[mtangelsfan]

and that is fine if they had to put themselves in that position in the first place, I don't believe they did.

[Blarg]

By their contract with the city they have to put themselves in that position, they did not have any choice but to respond to a person walking down the street with an AK47.

[mtangelsfan]

They had to handle it themselves?  They are not allowed to call for backup?  

[HaloMagic]

Yeah, they could have waited for backup to shoot him. But they probably didn't want a maniac mowing down citizens on the street while they were waiting.

Edited November 11, 2013 by HaloMagic

[tennischmp]

They had to handle it themselves?  They are not allowed to call for backup?  

Yes once they believed that their lives were in danger they had to handle it themselves. That was before the backups arrived.

[mtangelsfan]

How were their lives in danger if the kid had his back to them and was unaware of their presence?  That is ridiculous! 

[Jay]

At least the officers have the benefit of a trial... and mt is ths judge and jury.

[HaloMagic]

Will he execute as well?

[Blarg]

How were their lives in danger if the kid had his back to them and was unaware of their presence?  That is ridiculous! 

 

You missed a step. The time of day the school had just let out so there were kids out on the street. The public was in danger and so they had to intervene immediately. If they don't at any moment the suspect could take off running and use the weapon along the way. They did call for back up but they had to be first responders.

[mtangelsfan]

There were kids around him?  I didn't hear anything about that. 

[Blarg]

 You didn't hear a lot of things, read a lot of things, you just knee jerked at the first article you posted.

[mtangelsfan]

So there were kids around him when the police fired at him?  Wouldn't that be dangerous?

[mtangelsfan]

another question.  Wouldn't all these other kids have been running around in terror since the dangerous 13 year old was carrying that dangerous weapon?  There should have been mayhem on the streets.

[Jason]

Stay back?  Wait for back up?  Use the loudspeaker?  

All law enforcement officers are given options when it comes to use of force. Some very low level and lethal as well. We would have to put ourselves at the scene to really understand the reasons the officers chose to do what they did. With that said they may have used extremely poor judgment or may have done what was necessary. There are a lot of really bad youth walking the streets that are capable of horrible things as much as an adult.

[St1ck]

This thread is a disaster. 

[LBHalos17]

It's funny you guys are still arguing with mt...  He makes assumptions and statements based on no knowledge of Police-proceedure.  Then one of us comes-back with a logical fact, and he screams that it has no bearing on the case...

 

He's arguing like a defense attorney who has no affirmative defense; just muddy the waters with MMQ/second-guessing.

[HaloMagic]

I'm sure he feels horrible about it though. Just like those cops.

[acro2008]

Was cops and steroids discussed yet?

 

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-bogus-drug-war-1/illegal-steroid-use-by-cops-an-epidemic.html

[Taylor]

I recently read a script about this story. A total tragedy.

As we can see from this thread, the same kind of people who justified the Geoge Floyd murder were also justifying the murder of Tamir Rice for similar but slightly different reasons.

The officer who killed Tamir had been fired from his previous police department for being mentally unstable. He then went and got a job with Cleveland PD. 

[Lou]

I miss saangels

[Jason]

On 11/11/2013 at 8:45 AM, St1ck said:

This thread is a disaster. 

9 years later and this statement remains true for most threads. We have learned nothing