Shohei Ohtani signs with the Dodgers (10 years, $700 million)

[Angelsjunky]

1 minute ago, Inside Pitch said:

I just want to see how the deal is going to get structured.  We may be moving into the age of deferred mega-contracts.

 

Post-apocalyptic deferments. 

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, Mark68 said:

I'm glad he got paid. He deserves to. Does he deserve nearly 3/4 of a billion dollars? Does anyone, really?

 

 

I'm glad the Angels aren't paying him that much. 

Yep, this pretty much sums up where I am.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Just now, jsnpritchett said:

There's having an emotional attachment and there's being completely irrational and overreacting.  Again, why would anyone actually be mad at Ohtani for this?  Emotional attachment or not, what rational human being would expect him to turn down a deal like that and "stay loyal" (or whatever you want to call it) to the Angels?  Be mad at Arte for not giving him the deal.  That would still be wildly irrational, but maybe somewhat more understandable.

 

Why let it bother you? I don't think Ohtani is reading your posts.

[Swordsman78]

Just now, Inside Pitch said:

I just want to see how the deal is going to get structured.  We may be moving into the age of deferred mega-contracts.

 

Its really none of your concern.  You're just some rando guy.

MLB is hoping for a Yankee vs Dodger World Series.

[Angelsjunky]

Just now, AngelsLakersFan said:

That was my thought but MMC is saying they changed that in the last CBA... Who knows. Hard to see the Dodgers being OK with an annual $70 mil hit to the tax.

I can believe that they'll get around the luxury tax, but they still owe him an average of $70M a year, so that's what the contract is.

[full circle]

2 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

 

Honestly, though, how can anyone actually be mad at Ohtani for signing this deal? 

I’m not really.  It’s just a knee jerk reaction on a message board.  No need to call people children over it. 

[Warfarin]

3 minutes ago, Lazorko Saves said:

Wait wait wait.  Are ya'll telling me that MLB hasn't closed the Ilya Kovalchuk loophole?  That somehow Ohtani's cap hit will be something like $25m?  There's no way.  They have to have learned from the NHL and the Kovalchuk contract and put that into the luxury tax calculations.

Luxury tax hit has to be $70m a year, regardless of deferrals.  Right?

Nope.  The AAV will be considerably less if most of his contract is deferred.  I am 100% certain on this.  And that is what most reporters are referencing when they are saying there are contract deferrals with the intent to lesson the luxury tax burden.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

Why let it bother you? I don't think Ohtani is reading your posts.

I'm not bothered.  I actually think it's hilarious that there are grown men out there rage-posting about this.  It's truly laughable.

[AngelsLakersFan]

4 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

You lost your shit a long time ago.

[full circle]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

I just want to see how the deal is going to get structured.  We may be moving into the age of deferred mega-contracts.

 

If this is the case then the luxury tax shit is effectively over. 

[Swordsman78]

24 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I gotta say... The Dodgers are a very smart team, but you have to wonder how they will be able to afford this given the rules currently defined in the CBA. 

Not sure getting raked over for $700 mil would be considered smart.

[Warfarin]

2 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I can believe that they'll get around the luxury tax, but they still owe him an average of $70M a year, so that's what the contract is.

Well, yes, but if I paid you 10,000 30 years from now .. that 10,000 will have considerably less buying power than it would if I gave you that money now.  So you are correct in that it's a 70M average, but if most of that is paid 50 years from now, it is obviously worth considerably less than having that 70M today.

[m0nkey]

3 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

@cals I need to know, since you're our resident expert.

How will the Cholos in the stands do with the Japanese fans?

Hopefully the Japanese force dodgers tickets to go higher so the poor cholos can’t afford it

[cals]

3 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

@cals I need to know, since you're our resident expert.

How will the Cholos in the stands do with the Japanese fans?

Ever hear of the Battle of Midway?  Thats gonna be the bleachers now.

[mmc]

1 minute ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

That was my thought but MMC is saying they changed that in the last CBA... Who knows. Hard to see the Dodgers being OK with an annual $70 mil hit to the tax.

An example of this is Edwin Diaz’s contract he signed last year, his 5/102 is structured as $26 million deferred over 10 years from 2033-42, so his tax hit is 18.6 rather than 20.4 (how that deduction was calculated, I don’t know)

[cals]

2 minutes ago, full circle said:

If this is the case then the luxury tax shit is effectively over. 

No way man, Dodgers will be hamstrung in 2050.  Then the Angels can swoop in!

[Second Base]

7 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

I just want to see how the deal is going to get structured.  We may be moving into the age of deferred mega-contracts.

 

Didn't that start with Bobby Bonilla?

[TBM-850]

He was a fun player to watch on a team that usually wasn't. The only regret is not trading him+ at the deadline for a couple top 100 prospects.

Neto, Schanuel, O'Hoppe, Quero plus another two top prospects would have made a good young core.

 

[full circle]

5 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

@cals I need to know, since you're our resident expert.

How will the Cholos in the stands do with the Japanese fans?

Japs just need to bribe them with Sapporo.  All good. 

[Angelsjunky]

1 minute ago, Warfarin said:

Well, yes, but if I paid you 10,000 30 years from now .. that 10,000 will have considerably less buying power than it would if I gave you that money now.  So you are correct in that it's a 70M average, but if most of that is paid 50 years from now, it is obviously worth considerably less than having that 70M today.

I get it. I guess we'll just have to see. Deferment over 30 years is quite a bit different than, say, 15.

[Lazorko Saves]

Just now, Warfarin said:

Nope.  The AAV will be considerably less if most of his contract is deferred.  I am 100% certain on this.

No....freakin'...way.  That is just insane then.

MLB is really so dumb as to have not learned from the NHL and Kovalchuk, which happend all way back in 2010?

Then all big deals are going to look like the Bobby Bonilla contracts. 

If this is really how it works, then Perry's got to get on the phone with Yamamoto's agent and start talking about a 25 year deal for $400 million.  That's what it's going to take to get him then.

[IheartLA]

We still have Rendon so I’m not stressing, WS bound 2024 baby!

[Swordsman78]

14 minutes ago, SoWhat said:

I’m sick to my stomach. I would’ve been okay with any team other than the Dodgers. I wish Shohei the absolute worst (baseball wise)

Take a step back.  You are posting emotional.  Ohtani deserves his money, and wants to play for a contender.  Your team had him for 6 years and failed.  Plus this will probably handcuff the Dodgers for the forsee-able future.

[Second Base]

Thanks for the memories, Shohei. Best of luck in LA. I hope you continue to kill it. 

[robblin17]

8 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

 

Honestly, though, how can anyone actually be mad at Ohtani for signing this deal? 

No one is mad at Ohtani. We are mad at the situation and are taking it out on Ohtani's decision. Also the fact that he picked one of our biggest rivals is why I said fuck him. The same way I feel about any Dodger.