Is it worth it?

[Torridd]

Piggybacking on Minasian's Gambit thread, will you say all the prospects PM has given up will be worth it if...?

A. we make a good run to the playoffs and fail

B. only if we make the playoffs 

or C. it's already worth it thinking Ohtani may stay because of it and that the Angels haven't been to the playoffs for so long.

 

I say C for me and anything else is gravy.

 

 

[jsnpritchett]

My only issue with C is that I'm not entirely sure this would convince me of anything if I were in Ohtani's shoes.  Even if they win the WS with this current roster, all the guys they added are gone next year and there will still be quite a few gaps to fill in the off-season.  I guess there's the, "Well, the Angels showed him they'd go for it!" argument--but if I'm Ohtani, I still look around and think, "Ehhh, ok, what about 2024 and beyond?"

[ELEVEN]

I'm just happy to take a shot at it this late in the season. Feels good 

 

So C

[Torridd]

8 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

My only issue with C is that I'm not entirely sure this would convince me of anything if I were in Ohtani's shoes.  Even if they win the WS with this current roster, all the guys they added are gone next year and there will still be quite a few gaps to fill in the off-season.  I guess there's the, "Well, the Angels showed him they'd go for it!" argument--but if I'm Ohtani, I still look around and think, "Ehhh, ok, what about 2024 and beyond?"

Understandable.

[stormngt]

12 minutes ago, Torridd said:

Piggybacking on Minasian's Gambit thread, will you say all the prospects PM has given up will be worth it if...?

A. we make a good run to the playoffs and fail

B. only if we make the playoffs 

or C. it's already worth it thinking Ohtani may stay because of it and that the Angels haven't been to the playoffs for so long.

 

I say C for me and anything else is gravy.

 

 

This is simple.

1.  It will be worth it if we make the playoffs

2.  It will be worth it if it helps us re-sign Ohtani

3. if we lose Ohtani and don't make the playoffs then it wasn't  worth it.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Once they decided they weren’t trading Ohtani they had to do something to fill holes on the roster. If they don’t make the playoffs and/or resign Ohtani it’s going to be a tough pill to swallow but they had to take a chance after years of misses via FA to give the team a shot this season. 

[Revad]

I think having a winning season and being in the playoff run is good for the entire organization.  I don’t think we’re in bad shape next year as long as Arte or the owner funds the entire organization and listens to Minasain.

[happybat4]

This was a shitty season. Were not making the playoffs, were not going to make the playoffs and Ohtani is going to sign somewhere else. We should have sold everyone.

[Revad]

29 minutes ago, happybat4 said:

This was a shitty season. Were not making the playoffs, were not going to make the playoffs and Ohtani is going to sign somewhere else. We should have sold everyone.

This is the first time we’ve been in contention in August in many years.  We’re in a playoff run and we can make it!  We have the inside track on Ohtani, who has been treated like a prince here.  

[Angelsjunky]

2 hours ago, Revad said:

This is the first time we’ve been in contention in August in many years.  We’re in a playoff run and we can make it!  We have the inside track on Ohtani, who has been treated like a prince here.  

Are the Angels really in contention, though? 6 games back from the third wildcard. That's borderline at best.

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

4 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

My only issue with C is that I'm not entirely sure this would convince me of anything if I were in Ohtani's shoes.  Even if they win the WS with this current roster, all the guys they added are gone next year and there will still be quite a few gaps to fill in the off-season.  I guess there's the, "Well, the Angels showed him they'd go for it!" argument--but if I'm Ohtani, I still look around and think, "Ehhh, ok, what about 2024 and beyond?"

Ohtani is not staying

[Revad]

8 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Are the Angels really in contention, though? 6 games back from the third wildcard. That's borderline at best.

 

That’s the division, it’s 3.5 back in the wild card.  Three teams ahead of it, but it’s going to go up and down.  

[Reveille1984]

Why would any of these moves make any difference to Ohtani if we flame out and don't make the post season yet again?  Like he's gonna give us a participation ribbon for getting Giolito?

The dude is constantly saying he wants to win and that it's important to him, we haven't done shit in a decade.

[TroutField]

Better make the playoffs or Ohtani isn’t staying and we wasted prospects on nothing. 

[case]

Definitely not worth it.  Wasting prospects when we could have traded them for non rentals and could help us down the road.   Buying rentals on a season that isn't going to amount to anything is the worst thing you can do outside of signing has been players for huge amounts of money IE Pujols / Rendon

[TroutField]

28 minutes ago, case said:

Definitely not worth it.  Wasting prospects when we could have traded them for non rentals and could help us down the road.   Buying rentals on a season that isn't going to amount to anything is the worst thing you can do outside of signing has been players for huge amounts of money IE Pujols / Rendon

The cherry on top is going 2-4 after making a big trade, with the offense not able to buy a clutch hit and the pitcher you went and got losing both starts. 
 

it’s just so fundamentally angels it makes you wanna cry. 

[case]

22 minutes ago, TroutField said:

The cherry on top is going 2-4 after making a big trade, with the offense not able to buy a clutch hit and the pitcher you went and got losing both starts. 
 

it’s just so fundamentally angels it makes you wanna cry. 

We always got 2002 i guess.

[Revad]

30 minutes ago, TroutField said:

The cherry on top is going 2-4 after making a big trade, with the offense not able to buy a clutch hit and the pitcher you went and got losing both starts. 
 

it’s just so fundamentally angels it makes you wanna cry. 

2-4 that could have been 4-2 against two really good teams.  Did you see those lineups?

[ELEVEN]

46 minutes ago, case said:

We always got 2002 i guess.

Yer damn skippy!

[jsnpritchett]

3 hours ago, Revad said:

2-4 that could have been 4-2 against two really good teams.  Did you see those lineups?

"Could have" doesn't mean much at this point in the season. 

[Revad]

2 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

"Could have" doesn't mean much at this point in the season. 

Doesn’t get us an extra win, but against those two teams on the road normally, 2-4 as part of a 5-4 road-trip is fine.  But in fact we need to win every series so we missed a chance there to pick up ground,  there are going to be days like yesterday when we lose and everyone else wins.  

[TroutField]

7 hours ago, Revad said:

2-4 that could have been 4-2 against two really good teams.  Did you see those lineups?

2-4 flat ain’t out isn’t going to cut it, if we want to make the playoffs. Maybe if we could have gotten rolling earlier in the season when we were decently healthy and not flirting with .500 for the entirety of the season. 

[Dtwncbad]

Based on people’s reaction to the prospects traded, I guess the Rockies and the White Sox are going to be unbeatable juggernauts going forward.

And I bet Ohtani signs with one of those two teams since they are so stacked now.

[Jay]

1 minute ago, Dtwncbad said:

Based on people’s reaction to the prospects traded, I guess the Rockies and the White Sox are going to be unbeatable juggernauts going forward.

And I bet Ohtani signs with one of those two teams since they are so stacked now.

Angels are really stacked now.

For the next two months.

[Vlad27Trout27]

I'm so confused? isn't the ultimate goal in life to win? and to win you got to take risks! 

it's kind of frustrating now with all these post, yet when we're in the division. Honestly of we trade othani, would Trout want to stay for a rebuild? how.long would the rebuild be? 

like our core is here! and we got to go for it. what ever happens happens. As long as we tried.