Angels acquire Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez for Edgar Quero and Ky Bush (move Joyce to 60-day IL, option Reyes, DFA Walsh and Davidson)

[Second Base]

31 minutes ago, totdprods said:

I was hoping they'd go after him this winter too. He seems like a solid pitcher. Not quite as good as he was a couple years ago, but have the sense that he's still got a few good years in him and would be a durable, competitive veteran anchor on a young rotation. Can't remember the last time the Halos had a consistent, durable vet righty for a few seasons. Weaver? 

He's going to visit driveline this winter and recover that lost velocity and then some. 

[totdprods]

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

His 2022 season was really good too.

Former starter converted to the pen in 2021

Really really good. 

April and even rental aside, Lopez is pretty much the type of reliever you usually see moved at the deadline for a couple prospects that hurt. Getting him and Giolito? Good stuff.

[aznhockeyguy]

Not a fan of this trade.  Giolito is barely an above average starter. 

[diamondclub]

4 minutes ago, Second Base said:

He's going to visit driveline this winter and recover that lost velocity and then some. 

How do you know

[totdprods]

4 minutes ago, aznhockeyguy said:

Not a fan of this trade.  Giolito is barely an above average starter. 

How so? Almost 3 WAR (#8 in AL) and an ERA+ of 116, #16 in AL in ERA...
WHIP is #19 in AL and Shohei is #13...

He's either a great #3 or on the 'right side of decent' as a #2 as it stands.

Edited July 27, 2023 by totdprods

[TroutField]

3 minutes ago, aznhockeyguy said:

Not a fan of this trade.  Giolito is barely an above average starter. 

ERA+ of 116 and a 2.6 WAR. 
 

google is free. 

[notherhalo]

I guess being 3 games over .500 really charged Perry

[Sho Way That Was A Strike]

I look forward to both players haunting the Angels in the future. 
 

I’m kidding. Maybe. Hopefully. 

[Slegnaac]

51 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Oh shit, now I get it, neither of those guys were on the 40 man roster, so a couple of guys on the 40 man will have to be removed.  Another trade is definitely coming.  Unless someone is going on the 60 day?

Rendon to the 60 Day

 

 

Did I do that right?

[aznhockeyguy]

10 minutes ago, TroutField said:

ERA+ of 116 and a 2.6 WAR. 
 

google is free. 

116 ERA+ Is literally the definition of above average. 16 percent above league average. 

His FIP is 4.46, meaning his current ERA is benefiting from good defense and good BABIP luck which is .279; where .300 is about the average.  He has issues with the long ball giving up 1.5/9.  Yes, decent starters that take the ball every 5th day are hard to come by, but I'm not a fan of giving up prospects for rentals.

[totdprods]

Just now, aznhockeyguy said:

116 ERA+ Is literally the definition of above average. 16 percent above league average. 

His FIP is 4.46, meaning his current ERA is benefiting from good defense and good BABIP luck which is .279; where .300 is about the average.  He has issues with the long ball giving up 1.5/9.  Yes, decent starters that take the ball every 5th day are hard to come by, but I'm not a fan of giving up prospects for rentals.  Would've preferred getting Stroman, better track record and has a team option for next year.

The White Sox and good defense are not a thing. 

[AngelsFanSince86]

My thoughts are this:

1) The trade clearly makes them better. 

2) I said it before and I'll say it again: I think they should have traded Ohtani. They have won 6 out of their last 7 and gained like 1 game. Their schedule only gets harder. 

3) If they don't make the playoffs and/or don't retain Ohtani, they will go from a position of being able to gain 1-2 top prospects to instead losing 1 top prospect (and their top 2) for literally nothing. 

Last, but not least:

4) None of that matters because what is done is done. I'm an Angels fan and have been disappointed in this organization for so long. I'm letting it all go for the rest of the season and going all in. I'll be there 8/3/23 cheering them on per usual with a little more optimism this time.

[aznhockeyguy]

2 minutes ago, totdprods said:

The White Sox and good defense are not a thing. 

Even so, his FIP isn't exactly great in comparison to his ERA.  He's getting lucky getting his outs based on the batted ball data.

[ScottM]

This is one of those that the heart says yes but the brain says no. Ky Bush is what he is but Quero is a tough loss for 2 rentals… Hope Giolito considers an extension + they better sneak into the playoffs.

[Second Base]

15 minutes ago, diamondclub said:

How do you know

He's been a Driveline client for years now, but it appears he's been a little more inconsistent in the timing of his "high clock" position that they worked with him on. I expect he'll regain one mph or so before next season. 

[TroutField]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2023/07/27/shoehei-ohtani-future-angels-white-sox-trade-lucas-giolito/70475290007/ Nightengale trolling, claims Arte demanded the trade

[cals]

13 minutes ago, notherhalo said:

I guess being 3 games over .500 really charged Perry

Armenians get boners from weird things.  

[HaloBronco]

2 hours ago, Angels 1961 said:

7 losing seasons has haunted me. If they are going for it and not trading Ohtani I'm all for it.

Good point, they are making it interesting and it's been a very long time since we as Halo fans could say that at this point of the season.

It's nice to be watching meaningful baseball. 

Plus as someone here on the board pointed out maybe this helps to convince Otani to resign, so I've warmed up to the idea that cost is worth the risk.  

Edited July 27, 2023 by HaloBronco

[ukyah]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

But Arte NEVER would go over the tax  

well, he sure took his sweet fucking time doing it. trout's an old man and ohtani is one foot out the door.

[cals]

2 minutes ago, ukyah said:

well, he sure took his sweet fucking time doing it. trout's an old man and ohtani is one foot out the door.

He’s leaving the mess for the next guy.

[ScottT]

47 minutes ago, TroutField said:

Fangraphs has the angels farm system now ranked dead last. 
 

someone has to be last, might as well be us 

So what.  Neto, O'Hoppe, Detmers are all very young and aren't "prospects".  

Angels ranked pretty high back in the day with Mathis, Kotchman, McPerson, Kendrick, and.... ummmm... Joe Torres. ?  Oh Brandon Wood.   Hmm.  Jo Adell 

Farm system rankings are slightly more important than spring training stats and records

Edited July 27, 2023 by ScottT

[m0nkey]

People, he’s not signing and extension. “Best case” is he re-signs during free agency

[totdprods]

6 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

People, he’s not signing and extension. “Best case” is he re-signs during free agency

I think that's what most people mean by re-signing.

[AngelsLakersFan]

Well I guess that settles it

[Angels 1961]

Back end of BP with Lopez, Moore and Carlos very strong. Everyone has made fun of Loup but he has pitched so much better of late. This trade may not get them to playoffs but has made things very interesting. Angels not going down looking but will be swinging away.