How do we fix this realistically?

[mmc]

Just now, Stradling said:

Yes, we know he has a budget.

Well you omitted it from your list of "facts"

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, mmc said:

Well you omitted it from your list of "facts"

My list wasn’t all inclusive.  You are free to add facts.  Thank you for adding the fact that he has a budget.

[mmc]

And for anyone who doesn't think spending into the tax is the answer, it very well may not be, but there are 4 teams above the tax right now. The New York teams and the Dodgers, who make up 3 of the 4 best records in the league, and then the Phillies, who after years of failing miserably to make the playofs despite having high expectations (sound familiar?), are having their best season with this core their first year of dipping into the tax

[Stradling]

Just now, mmc said:

And for anyone who doesn't think spending into the tax is the answer, it very well may not be, but there are 4 teams above the tax right now. The New York teams and the Dodgers, who make up 3 of the 4 best records in the league, and then the Phillies, who after years of failing miserably to make the playofs despite having high expectations (sound familiar?), are having their best season with this core their first year of dipping into the tax

I think spending into the tax is the only way with how the team is currently constructed.

[eligrba]

For everyone who has paid attention this season, we all know what is happening.  No one can change the events that brought the team to this disappointing season but there are some obvious things that can be done.  All of the following recognizes that the players on the field are not as good as was projected or imagined.  This is triage in hopes to salvage the season.

1.  Have players who will never be major offensive contributors to improve in the areas that can help this team score runs without hitting homeruns.  For example, sac bunts, hitting to the right side with a runner on second, hit and runs (improve contact frequency), sac flies.

2.  Have players who can be major offensive contributors to focus more on on their on base percentages.  The bottom of the order will never be threats to get on base, but they should be more functional when there are runners on base.

3.  Re-evaluate the effectiveness of their advanced scouting and pitch/hit data.  Something is wrong.  I wouldn't blame the players if they dismiss this information at game time.

4.  Pitchers need to return to the old school approach and pitch to contact instead of pitching for sing and misses.  Their overall ability to spot their pitches is awful and they all are wasting their time and energy on a swing and miss outcome they will never achieve at a consistent rate.

5. Stop playing players out of position.  Stop trying to hide Minasian's most obvious off-season mistakes with a patch work of hope.

6. Let Nevin manage without interference.  (I actually don't know if Minasian has any input, but based on his roster decisions, he should not say anything to Nevin about how he should do his job.)  Nevin's demeanor might help generate some emotions that are sorely lacking for obvious reasons.

 

[Lou]

1 hour ago, mmc said:

And for anyone who doesn't think spending into the tax is the answer, it very well may not be, but there are 4 teams above the tax right now. The New York teams and the Dodgers, who make up 3 of the 4 best records in the league, and then the Phillies, who after years of failing miserably to make the playofs despite having high expectations (sound familiar?), are having their best season with this core their first year of dipping into the tax

How do their revenues compare?

[mmc]

4 minutes ago, Lou said:

How do their revenues compare?

https://www.forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/#header:revenue_sortreverse:true

Dodgers are 1st with $562 million and the Yankees are 2nd with $484 million.  After that there's a bit of a gap, the Angels are 9th with $331 million, which is still ahead of the other 2 luxury tax teams, the Phillies are 10th with $323 and the Mets ranked 13th with $302

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, mmc said:

We know that he caps his GM at about $190 in payroll which is still far from the luxury tax.  If he was serious about winning like all these other big market owners he wants to hang with are, he’d be right up at it or over it

This, but only spending up to it or over it to at least re-sign Ohtani and add decent to solid support players, and if possible re-sign Syndergaard as he would be into his second post TJS season by then.

No more big splashes from outside the org, nada, zip, zero

 

Edited July 5, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[Stradling]

@Inside Pitch can you explain the advantage Cohen has in his first few years of owning that team as it relates to debt?  

[Lou]

5 minutes ago, mmc said:

https://www.forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/#header:revenue_sortreverse:true

Dodgers are 1st with $562 million and the Yankees are 2nd with $484 million.  After that there's a bit of a gap, the Angels are 9th with $331 million, which is still ahead of the other 2 luxury tax teams, the Phillies are 10th with $323 and the Mets ranked 13th with $302

The dodgers and Yankees are in a league of their own. The Mets added $80+ million to their payroll this year. You can't expect us to spend like any of those teams. 

[tdawg87]

Arte isn't "cheap". He just sucks at allocating his finances towards the team.

[tdawg87]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

The dodgers and Yankees are in a league of their own. The Mets added $80+ million to their payroll this year. You can't expect us to spend like any of those teams. 

That's a terrible excuse.

[Lou]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

That's a terrible excuse.

Wrong. 

[tdawg87]

Just now, Lou said:

Wrong. 

Oh. Ok.

[Lou]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

Oh. Ok.

[DMVol]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

I think spending wisely into the tax is the only way with how the team is currently constructed.

Fixed it for you....otherwise, you are probably right....

[Slegnaac]

29 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

That's a terrible excuse.

Not really.

Artie isn't going to spend over his budget if the result is negative to the bottom line.  He doesn't own this team to lose money.

If spending an extra $40M some how adds significantly to the bottom line then it has a better chance of happening. 

[Stradling]

8 minutes ago, Slegnaac said:

Not really.

Artie isn't going to spend over his budget if the result is negative to the bottom line.  He doesn't own this team to lose money.

If spending an extra $40M some how adds significantly to the bottom line then it has a better chance of happening. 

At the same time he might spend that $40 million to ensure continued revenue, like signing Ohtani. 

[Angel Oracle]

Based on current attendance pace, he’s losing 1/6 (16.67%) of tickets sold from 3 million.

He can’t afford to not re-sign Ohtani.  Otherwise, that’s 8 to 10 wins down the drain and more tickets not sold.

But to maximize his chances, he needs to also consider re-signing Syndergaard and trading for a solid SS like a Kyle Farmer.

[Slegnaac]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

At the same time he might spend that $40 million to ensure continued revenue, like signing Ohtani. 

Exactly

[Inside Pitch]

54 minutes ago, Stradling said:

@Inside Pitch can you explain the advantage Cohen has in his first few years of owning that team as it relates to debt?  

https://sabr.org/journal/article/the-roster-depreciation-allowance-how-major-league-baseball-teams-turn-profits-into-losses/#:~:text=This law created the 50,be depreciated over five years.

[tdawg87]

18 minutes ago, Slegnaac said:

Not really.

Artie isn't going to spend over his budget if the result is negative to the bottom line.  He doesn't own this team to lose money.

If spending an extra $40M some how adds significantly to the bottom line then it has a better chance of happening. 

No, it's a terrible excuse. "Artie" is able to spend just as much as those teams. He has just chosen not to. Because.

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

No, it's a terrible excuse. "Artie" is able to spend just as much as those teams. He has just chosen not to. Because.

Just like virtually every owner.  And if all owners spent like the Dodgers and Yankees then the Dodgers and Yankees would spend even more. 

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

No, it's a terrible excuse. "Artie" is able to spend just as much as those teams. He has just chosen not to. Because.

because it would be a poor business decision

[Slegnaac]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

No, it's a terrible excuse. "Artie" is able to spend just as much as those teams. He has just chosen not to. Because.