The Official 2022 Los Angeles Angels Minor League Stats, Reports & Scouting Thread

[Docwaukee]

2 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Yeah. The hype machine is powerful. I imagine one guy seeing Maitan and over-hyping him, and then other guys parroting it and a snowball effect occurs.

This is why I've kinda been putting more stock in system depth than the rankings of individual players.  

Propped up by a couple 50+ FV guys.  

There are what?  About 7000 professional players in the US?  Ranking folks probably just throw out at least 3/4ths of them right off the bat.   And even with all the tech available, how much of a look are they even getting on even the 900 players they're putting in each team's top 30? 

Most of the time they're basically relying on major league teams to be right more often with guys they drafted in the first 3 rounds or paid a ton of money to on the intl side.  Then it's basically just herd mentality unless someone who doesn't fit that criteria does something special from a performance standpoint.  

[rafibomb]

Rough day for practically everyone at the plate for Rocket City except Paris who was 2-2 with a walk and 2 runs scored. Average is up to .500 with a 1.600 OPS in Double-A lmao

 

[Chuck]

 

[Chuck]

18 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Rough day for practically everyone at the plate for Rocket City except Paris who was 2-2 with a walk and 2 runs scored. Average is up to .500 with a 1.600 OPS in Double-A lmao

 

Yeah, O’Hoppe didn’t play but at least Jeremiah Jackson crushed a 3 run bomb as well. 
 

Bush didn’t have it tonight. Wasn’t prudent. Bar, wasn’t impressed. 

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

I'm always fascinated by "could-of-been" stars, or stars that flamed out early...guys you wish you could see do their careers over, perhaps with better luck (injuries and such). One that always comes to mind is Kal Daniels, who was a terrific hitter for a few years but couldn't stay health. But from 1986-90 he had the highest wRC+ in the majors (153) but was done as a star at age 26 and out of baseball at age 28. But his first two partial seasons in the majors (86-87) in about a full season's worth of PA: 637 PA, .330/.419/.595, 32 HR, 163 wRC+, 6.4 WAR.

Kal Daniels is just a sad tale of injuries.  Six knee operations by age 25, he was said to have been bone on bone in his last good season with LA.

That Cincinnati OF that never was (Davis, Daniels, O'Neill), was stupidly talented..  Shame how both Daniels and Davis' bodies betrayed them.  

[Second Base]

Come to think of it, the Angels have quite a few guys who are difficult to say whether they fit a system and thus get a chance at all. 

Stefanic can rake, but unless you're starting him, he carries no defensive value, or speed or power, and he isn't versatile enough to fill in for extended periods. 

Thaiss, usually you want your backup catcher to be a seasoned vet that can be a defensive specialist. Thaiss is kind of the exact opposite. Still valuable, but in what context?

Jeremiah Jackson can play all the positions you want, but he's not necessarily a defensive specialist as much as merely decent. He's not a burner, but he's not a clogger either. Doesn't make enough contact to be a pinch hitter. 

O'Hoppe is too good to be a reserve, but he'll likely split duty with Stassi, but even then, how much value can her carry catching 70 games a season?

Adell needs reps, but at the same time he isn't major league ready, and doesn't help much at all as a reserve. 

Guys like Moniak and Soto have cake because they can execute their limited role perfectly. 

[rafibomb]

Caden Dana getting called up to Inland Empire in time for their playoff run

 

[Inside Pitch]

Well done, Perry.

 

[Angelsjunky]

12 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Come to think of it, the Angels have quite a few guys who are difficult to say whether they fit a system and thus get a chance at all. 

Stefanic can rake, but unless you're starting him, he carries no defensive value, or speed or power, and he isn't versatile enough to fill in for extended periods. 

Thaiss, usually you want your backup catcher to be a seasoned vet that can be a defensive specialist. Thaiss is kind of the exact opposite. Still valuable, but in what context?

Jeremiah Jackson can play all the positions you want, but he's not necessarily a defensive specialist as much as merely decent. He's not a burner, but he's not a clogger either. Doesn't make enough contact to be a pinch hitter. 

O'Hoppe is too good to be a reserve, but he'll likely split duty with Stassi, but even then, how much value can her carry catching 70 games a season?

Adell needs reps, but at the same time he isn't major league ready, and doesn't help much at all as a reserve. 

Guys like Moniak and Soto have cake because they can execute their limited role perfectly. 

The two I somewhat differ on are Thaiss and O'Hoppe - or not really O'Hoppe, but secondarily through Stassi.

First, Thaiss. He doesn't have to be a defensive specialist to be a solid secondary catcher - he just needs to be decent enough to start two games a week, and then makes a nice guy to have on the bench to pinch hit and occasionally start at 1B. I wish the Angels gave him time at 3B, as I think he would be a solid replacement for Rendon if and when he goes down. But I can see Thaiss be a useful player starting two games a week at C, and coming off the bench and possibly taking starts from Walsh. When O'Hoppe comes up, that changes. 

O'Hoppe will eventually start, but nothing wrong with easing him in: 50-70ish games at C in 2023, 70-100ish in 2024, and then the Angels have a club option for Stassi in 2025, though by then Quero will be knocking at the door. While it is too early to be nailing down Quero's major league career, he could take on a similar role to wath I'm suggesting for Thaiss, if he hits enough. On that note, it will be interesting to see how Toronto handles their wealth of catchers (Kirk, Moreno, Jansen). 

[Chuck]

For a trip down memory lane, check out these old chat's with former amateur scouting director, Ric Wilson. 

 

[Docwaukee]

Thaiss has looked very capable behind the plate.  Obviously he'd be more of a 'bat first' backup which I'm not sure Minasian would be a fan of.  But the fact that he can also play 1b and potentially even fill in at 3b in a pinch give him enough value as a backup in my opinion.  Kurt Suzuki not only has a 60 wRC+ but he's also been below average defensively for a sum total of -0.7 WAR.  I don't care how good you are (supposedly) at working with pitchers, that's just unacceptable.  And it's not even the old Jeff Mathis argument for Kurt.  Mathis for his career was a tremendous defender and it could be argued that on a prorated basis, he was one of the best in the history of the game.  Anyway, Kurt and guys like him need to go.  I can make a much better argument for someone like Maldonado.  

And I am not rushing O'Hoppe up to play 50-70 games.  When he's ready, he's coming up and gonna be the primary starter and if max is still here then he can be the backup.  Unless they want to try to kick tires on getting him a 1b glove and see if that sticks so you can get his bat in the lineup but no way he's sitting on my bench for 2/3rds of the season with the occasional PH opportunity.  

As of right now, Moniak, Fletcher, and Thaiss are my bench for next year.  My fourth guy is someone better than Duffy.  

[Tank]

8 minutes ago, Docwaukee said:

Thaiss has looked very capable behind the plate.  Obviously he'd be more of a 'bat first' backup which I'm not sure Minasian would be a fan of.  But the fact that he can also play 1b and potentially even fill in at 3b in a pinch give him enough value as a backup in my opinion.  Kurt Suzuki not only has a 60 wRC+ but he's also been below average defensively for a sum total of -0.7 WAR.  I don't care how good you are (supposedly) at working with pitchers, that's just unacceptable.  And it's not even the old Jeff Mathis argument for Kurt.  Mathis for his career was a tremendous defender and it could be argued that on a prorated basis, he was one of the best in the history of the game.  Anyway, Kurt and guys like him need to go.  I can make a much better argument for someone like Maldonado.  

And I am not rushing O'Hoppe up to play 50-70 games.  When he's ready, he's coming up and gonna be the primary starter and if max is still here then he can be the backup.  Unless they want to try to kick tires on getting him a 1b glove and see if that sticks so you can get his bat in the lineup but no way he's sitting on my bench for 2/3rds of the season with the occasional PH opportunity.  

As of right now, Moniak, Fletcher, and Thaiss are my bench for next year.  My fourth guy is someone better than Duffy.  

can you provide a simple explanation for what wRC+ is and what would be a good number? TIA

[jsnpritchett]

6 minutes ago, Tank said:

can you provide a simple explanation for what wRC+ is and what would be a good number? TIA

Any stat that has a "+" after it just means it's being indexed--so 100 for any stat with a + is average, anything below 100 is below average, anything above 100 is above average.  Once you're more than 10 "index points" above or below 100, then you can starting taking that as meaningfully above or below average.

Runs Created in its simplest form is just [(Hits + Walks) X Total Bases] divided by (AB + Walks). 

[ten ocho recon scout]

18 minutes ago, Docwaukee said:

 My fourth guy is someone better than Duffy.  

Isn't that @Taylors uncle?

 

He didn't mean that Taylor.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 minute ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Isn't that @Taylors uncle?

 

He didn't mean that Taylor.

Or am I just going crazy in old age? @Taylor, I thought Patrick Duffy was your uncle?

[Taylor]

Just now, ten ocho recon scout said:

Or am I just going crazy in old age? @Taylor, I thought Patrick Duffy was your uncle?

Ha, my dad was a writer and producer for Step by Step, which starred Patrick Duffy.

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Any stat that has a "+" after it just means it's being indexed--so 100 for any stat with a + is average, anything below 100 is below average, anything above 100 is above average.  Once you're more than 10 "index points" above or below 100, then you can starting taking that as meaningfully above or below average.

Runs Created in its simplest form is just [(Hits + Walks) X Total Bases] divided by (AB + Walks). 

This, and any stat that has a lower case w before it means it's been weighted for the individual season and the park differences.

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 minute ago, Taylor said:

Ha, my dad was a writer and producer for Step by Step, which starred Patrick Duffy.

Ok, I was close. So I'm pre-ceazy in middle age. 

So I'm at the point where I go outside and water the lawn in a robe, but at least for now I still tie it closed when I yell at kids.

[Angel Oracle]

If the Trash Pandas win both first and second halves of their division, do they then get a bye to the Southern League championship series?

[Chuck]

7 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

If the Trash Pandas win both first and second halves of their division, do they then get a bye to the Southern League championship series?

No. Just means they get HFA throughout

[Chuck]

 

[Chuck]

19 hours ago, rafibomb said:

Rough day for practically everyone at the plate for Rocket City except Paris who was 2-2 with a walk and 2 runs scored. Average is up to .500 with a 1.600 OPS in Double-A lmao

 

Paris has been crushing it in the second half after hitting under the Mendoza line April-June. 

July: .261/.338/.333
August: .345/.472/.672
September: .462/.650/.769

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

No. Just means they get HFA throughout

Who would they play then in the first round?

[jsnpritchett]

13 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Who would they play then in the first round?

Themselves.  Duh.

[jsnpritchett]

Can someone who follows him more than I've been tell me more about Bachman?  I know he's been hurt, but he's getting killed tonight and his numbers coming into tonight were just ok, at least in terms of BB/9 and K/9.  I've seen some folks on here suggest he might even be an option for the Angels rotation next year.  Based on the limited info I'm looking at, that seems like a real stretch.  What am I missing?