Michael Lorenzen in the rotation.

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

22 saves

Please no.

[Chuck]

On 12/6/2021 at 10:42 AM, tdawg87 said:

I've been posting about this today and I was just thinking, has it actually been confirmed that he has been guaranteed a spot in the rotation in 2022? I saw one tweet that said it, but not sure I saw much else. Seems a bit odd to just immediately guarantee a guy like that a rotation spot in November.

@Jeff Fletcher?

Check out Lorezen's playoff start against the Braves last year @tdawg87

 

[jsnpritchett]

38 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Check out Lorezen's playoff start against the Braves last year @tdawg87

 

He didn't start that game. He did have 2 good outings in that series, though.  Struck out 6 in 2 2/3.

[Angelsfan1984]

1 hour ago, tdawg87 said:

Please no.

I don’t control what happens in my nightmares. They control me

[Stradling]

3 hours ago, DJO said:

Sorry - I am a long time Angel fan who lives in NY -  NOBODY and I mean NOBODY knows what to expect from Noah next year . When he was rehabbing he was under the strict guidelines of no breaking balls and his velocity was down . That is to be expected coming off TJ surgery but he is a question mark . If the Mets were totally convinced he was going to be strong and durable they would have offered him more to stay  but they weren't sure and they didn't offer him the deal he sought .   What is astounding to me is we all know our pitching staff needs proven help and it really wasn't addressed but they delude themselves that its mission accomplished  .They bring in Noah who may be solid but will not be over-worked his first year back ( less than 140 innings I would bet ) and Lorenzen who is a question mark as a starter . We will be going to the bullpen in the 4th inning in May next year because these guys can't give you innings . Nothing like burning your middle relief out by before July comes . Don't blame the GM's we've had - fire the owner !

Or maybe the Mets fucked up.  The Mets are some sort of authority in your mind when last year, with much better pitching, they ended up with the same record as the Angels and the Angels played without Trout and Rendon most of the year and had an awful pitching staff.  Also, if Noah, Shohei, Sandoval and Suarez pitch well they will get through five.  If they don’t then we should go to the pen early.  

[Tank]

4 hours ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Pfft, 15 wins, 22 saves and 15 home runs. Stop selling him short. 

hey, i'm on your side here. you really need to address this to, well, everyone else.

[Second Base]

On 12/6/2021 at 4:29 PM, Trendon said:

When the Angels acquired Santiago, he was coming off a season where he made 23 starts and threw 149 IP. The most IP Lorenzen has thrown in a single season is 113.1 in 2015.

Different times though. The Angels acquired Santiago at the tail end of an era where's starters were still generally expected to go 6-7 innings per start and 180 innings per year. 

Comparatively, starters only going 5-6 innings and 150 innings per year, makes Lorenzen closer to the mean than a simple comparison of numbers. 

There's also opportunity to consider. Santiago received opportunity for multiple innings, and Lorenzen really hasn't yet. I think best case scenario is Lorenzen takes to it the same way CJ Wilson did, though I think Hector Santiago is a more likely outcome. 

[Second Base]

I'll be curious to see what velocity Lorenzen works at as a starter. In the bullpen he was mostly 96-98, and he could maintain that for 2-3 innings. But going every six days, and needing to cover more innings, it wouldn't surprise me if he dropped down to 94-95. 

But the more video I've watched, the more I've watched him drop down to 92 from time to time, similar to Ohtani. So he might choose to work in the low 90's. Or who knows, maybe he's comfortable in the upper 90's. 

[Revad]

It going to be an interesting team to watch, Lorenzen will be part of that.  He could be highly marketable, for a pitcher.

[Inside Pitch]

On 12/6/2021 at 11:01 PM, tdawg87 said:

I do like that his floor is so high, given the options they have. 

Also doesn't this mf'er play the outfield? I mean, we needed depth. Jon Jay couldn't pitch. Or hit. Or play defense. 

But he's cultured, you uncouth barbarian.

[Inside Pitch]

19 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

I'm not exactly sure what he's done to deserve either a place in the rotation OR a place as a part-time outfielder/hitter when he's not pitching.  Sounds like a recipe for disaster.  Fun times.

My biggest takeaway reading that article was how his talking about how he was unsure how to use his FBs and tinkering with grips reminded me of Canning's struggles.  Hopefully whoever was spending all the time looking into unlocking Lorenzen can now shift his attention to Canning, because fixing the guy with the 4 years of control who looked like a budding rotation piece coming into 2021 seems like it should be a pretty big priority.

[T.G.]

On 12/6/2021 at 11:10 AM, Adam said:

I'll vaccinate @Lhalo myself if he pitches more than 50 innings as a starter

 

On 12/6/2021 at 12:31 PM, HanfordGuy said:

I wonder why Perry wants Lorenzen for our rotation when he hasn’t been a full-time starter since 2015. He made 2 starts at the end of 2020 where he went 5.0 & 4.2 innings respectively. Does anyone believe he pitches more than 95 innings in 2022?

 

On 12/6/2021 at 12:46 PM, Torridd said:

That's not saying much and I would hope he's just a backup.

 

On 12/6/2021 at 12:47 PM, Torridd said:

It doesn't make much sense.

 

On 12/6/2021 at 12:48 PM, Torridd said:

Yes, it's laughable. Lorenzen shouldn't be handed a spot in the rotation. I don't see how he's any better than Sandoval, Suarez, or even Barria.

 

On 12/7/2021 at 12:50 PM, jsnpritchett said:

I'm not exactly sure what he's done to deserve either a place in the rotation OR a place as a part-time outfielder/hitter when he's not pitching.  Sounds like a recipe for disaster.  Fun times.

Nicely done, boys.

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, True Grich said:

 

 

 

 

 

Nicely done, boys.

This will make @Louproud 

[Angel Oracle]

Last night sat at 93-94 on sinker and 94-95 on four seamer.

By 6th inning, no real change

Good movement on those combined with solid change and slider = solid start.

[Torridd]

13 hours ago, True Grich said:

 

 

 

 

 

Nicely done, boys.

I don't mind being wrong if it benefits the team.

[tdawg87]

It's way too early to be doing victory laps.

[T.G.]

17 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

It's way too early to be doing victory laps.

I need all the exercise I can get.

[Taylor]

18 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

It's way too early to be doing victory laps.

If you read the the last few pages of yesterday's GDT you'd think the consensus is Minasian is a genius and the Angels are WS bound. But if they lose tonight the consensus will be the organization is rotten and the team is stuck in mediocrity.

[tdawg87]

Just now, Taylor said:

If you read the the last few pages of yesterday's GDT you'd think the consensus is Minasian is a genius and the Angels are WS bound. But if they lose tonight the consensus will be the organization is rotten and the team is stuck in mediocrity.

It's also way too early to be doing failaps.

[Inside Pitch]

4 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

It's also way too early to be doing failaps.

Your post is "magical".... 

(Just in case anyone needs a reminder)

[Taylor]

The magic (mAJic) has run out.

[Angelsfan1984]

Talk to me in 12 years when he’s out of the league. 

[Stradling]

My favorite part of fandom on social media is this notion that we aren’t supposed to enjoy the team when they are playing well because they haven’t played well the last several years.  Talk about some sensitive MFers.  

[Angelsfan1984]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

My favorite part of fandom on social media is this notion that we aren’t supposed to enjoy the team when they are playing well because they haven’t played well the last several years.  Talk about some sensitive MFers.  

I blame scioscia for that. He ruined everything that has ever happened in this world.

You might as well replace the Biden i did that stickers with Scioscia i did that.

[mmc]

On 4/26/2022 at 10:28 AM, tdawg87 said:

It's way too early to be doing victory laps.

What about now