MLB to begin providing housing for all minor leaguers starting in 2022

[Dtwncbad]

4 minutes ago, Hubs said:

They should be paid minimum wage at least. Bonuses paid years earlier do not help with living expenses.

How about no more signing bonuses at all and they get a salary each year for the first four years that would add up to what the signing bonus would have been?

 

[Taylor]

12 minutes ago, Hubs said:

So have players. One side wants to eliminate jobs of minor leaguers and decimate their families and those of the local communities who like and support minor league ball.

I was being facetious.

[Dtwncbad]

26 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

You clearly haven't read the article--or, if you did, you're willfully ignoring the content.

Now I also clicked and started reading (until it asked for money) the article.

The article is about poor Donnie Sellers and how he has to work for money.

Sellers was drafted in the 11th round and got a signing bonus of $125,000.

This is a guy that was a relief pitcher in college with an ERA over 5.

No he didn’t get a $2m signing bonus and not even the $300-400k a fifth rounder gets.

But he is an 11th round pick.  If his $125k is gone after three years in the minors, then he probably should pivot out of baseball and go do something else as he is at best a long shot to make the majors.

$125k divided by three years is $42k a year.

Yes after like 6 years the amount starts to end up so low that I can start feeling sorry for him. But he isn’t going to be in the minors for that long as a post college player 11th rounder.

A guy like this makes it in 3 years, maybe 4 years tops or he is out of the game.

So the link actually provided a nice example of the low end of drafted players that still get some money up front.

It supports my point that the discussion of minor league pay is flawed unless we take into consideration the signing bonuses.

Edited February 15, 2022 by Dtwncbad

[jsnpritchett]

32 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

You are right I didn’t read the article in your link.

I was responding to the actual content of what you posted where a player complains about not getting paid for spring training.

How do you know where he was drafted and how much his bonus was, given that he's not named?

Of the players mentioned by name in the article, one was a 12th-rounder who got a$360K bonus out of high school 5 years ago, one was an 8th-rounder out of college who got $167K 6 years ago, one was an 11th-rounder out of college who got a $125K bonus 5 years ago, another was a 16th-round pick 10 years ago who got a $100K bonus, one was a 22nd-round pick 4 years ago who got a $1,500 bonus, another was a 22nd-rounder 8 years ago who has made it to the majors, but has no bonus listed in his draft status, and two were undrafted free agents (so probably got $1,000 and/or a plane ticket to camp).

Kieran Lovegrove, who has been the most vocal about getting help for minor leaguers, seems to be the highest bonus, at $400K.  He's now using his voice to help others.

Yes, you can easily say, "If they're not making enough money to survive, they should quit."  But the larger point (at least to me) is that if major league teams are exploiting' the players labor in some form or fashion, it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask that the MLB parent teams provide more financial support.

Also, even someone with a $200K bonus isn't exactly rolling in dough once you factor in taxes, agent commissions, etc., and the extremely low salaries they make during the minor league year.

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by jsnpritchett

[jsnpritchett]

4 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

It supports my point that the discussion of minor league pay is flawed unless we take into consideration the signing bonuses.

LOL. 

[Taylor]

3 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

How do you know where he was drafted and how much his bonus was, given that he's not named?

Of the players mentioned by name in the article, one was a 12th-rounder who got a$360K bonus out of high school 5 years ago, one was an 8th-rounder out of college who got $167K 6 years ago, one was an 11th-rounder out of college who got a $125K bonus 5 years ago, another was a 16th-round pick 10 years ago who got a $100K bonus, one was a 22nd-round pick 4 years ago who got a $1,500 bonus, another was a 22nd-rounder 8 years ago who has made it to the majors, but has no bonus listed in his draft status, and two were undrafted free agents (so probably got $1,000 and/or a plane ticket to camp).

Kieran Lovegrove, who has been the most vocal about getting help for minor leaguers, seems to be the highest bonus, at $400K.  He's now using his voice to help others.

Yes, you can easily say, "If they're not making enough money to survive, they should quit."  But the larger point (at least to me) is that if major league teams are exploiting the players labor in some form or fashion, it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask that the MLB parent teams provide more financial support.

Also, even someone with a $200K bonus isn't exactly rolling in dough once you factor in taxes, agent commissions, etc., and the extremely low salaries they make during the minor league year.

[Dtwncbad]

35 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Yes, you can easily say, "If they're not making enough money to survive, they should quit."  But the larger point (at least to me) is that if major league teams are exploiting' the players labor in some form or fashion, it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask that the MLB parent teams provide more financial support.

We agree!  But it is not really a fair look at their compensation to ignore signing bonuses and say “They are not paid for spring training.”

[Taylor]

20 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

We agree!  But it is not really a fair look at their compensation to ignore signing bonuses and say “They are not paid for spring training.”

Yes it is. If my job gives me a $5,000 bonus in December but then says, "By the way, we're not paying you for the hours you work in March," then I'm not being paid for my labor in March.

[AngelsLakersFan]

This discussion made me think of this scene...

 

[mmc]

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

Maybe if Jack's teammates focused a little more on housing than baseball they wouldn't have been homeless.

[Lou]

So he's been in the minors for 6 years. He received a signing bonus of $395,000. That's about $65,000/yr.

Where did all his money go? 

[Stradling]

27 minutes ago, Lou said:

So he's been in the minors for 6 years. He received a signing bonus of $395,000. That's about $65,000/yr.

Where did all his money go? 

Read the tweets

[Lou]

6 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Read the tweets

I did. 

If he's making $75k per year and living with 6 other guys, he's an idiot. 

[Lou]

Ha. Even better, one year after receiving almost $400k he was sharing an apartment with 6 other dudes. 

Idiocy confirmed.

[Stradling]

So you didn’t read it. 

[Lou]

My bad, SEVEN other guys. Makes him more if an idiot.

[Lou]

I'd also like to know who these players that were called up and down 20 times in a season are. 

[T.G.]

On 2/16/2022 at 9:37 PM, Lou said:

So he's been in the minors for 6 years. He received a signing bonus of $395,000. That's about $65,000/yr.

Where did all his money go? 

Newsome took it

[arch stanton]

Where does money go? Did he pay taxes? agent fees? Buy a new glove and a couple pairs of spikes? Is he insured in the off season or does he have to pay for COBRA? Maybe minor league teams also require a suit and tie on road trips. Under 25 and single his car insurance is probably pretty high. 

[Stradling]

He stated he still has his signing bonus and that he wrote this about guys that don’t get those signing bonuses. 

[Taylor]

7 hours ago, True Grich said:

Newsome took it

Did he also take an extra 'e' for his name?

[T.G.]

16 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Did he also take an extra 'e' for his name?

Ozzie doesn’t need an extra “e”

[Taylor]

59 minutes ago, True Grich said:

Ozzie doesn’t need an extra “e”

I agre.

[AngelStew43]

There are state and federal taxes on that 395K, nearly 40 percent.  That is about 158,000.  That leaves 237,000 of the original 395K divided by the seven years, or about 34000 per year.  If he buys anything else, that number goes way down.

The players in the minors work incredibly long hours, and days, for what they are paid.