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Joe Maddon on the state of the Angels

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From a fan's point of view (mine), it just seem like the Angels are a disorganized mess.  Before the season we were fed lines about defense and the importance of a good catcher, and playing 1985 style

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Here comes Javy Baez, Kyle Hendricks and Jason Heyward. 

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My favorite part about this..  All the people that deluded themselves believing Maddon was this super manager who would turn things around are probably going to line up and praise him.   Ohhh, he's ca

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1 hour ago, Lou said:

@Jeff Fletcher

If you don't know already, can you find out exactly how many scouts the organization employs at the moment? 

I'm not Jeff, but it would appear like 35 per the Angels media guide. 

(Though like 3 of those people listed as scouts have other roles beyond being a scout.) I also don't know when the media guide was last updated or whether any of them are furloughed.

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3 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Give me some examples of what you consider provocative questions. 

Does the organization recognize that the defensive positioning and defense has been bad this year? And will it be addressed during the offseason, whether it's changing personnel or shifting strategies?

Does the organization overvalue makeup and clubhouse presence, with those intangibles allowing underperforming players to keep a roster spot when their performance may not merit it?

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From a fan's point of view (mine), it just seem like the Angels are a disorganized mess.  Before the season we were fed lines about defense and the importance of a good catcher, and playing 1985 style baseball, but not much about the season reflected any of that.  Then came the injuries (lots of them and to key players) and what appeared to be miss-information about how long players would be out, etc. 

Along the way, we learned the scouting department was reduced dramatically and then we had issues come to light in the media with how the minor leaguers were supposedly being treated.  The Skaggs stuff resurfaced.  Calloway happened.  Renigfo's issues made the news.  The trade deadline came and went and players many thought would be traded for prospects - didn't get traded for one reason or another.  The inactivity was alarming to some.

From a fan's point of view - there's nothing happening that gives us much confidence that things will get better.  When one of the season's bright spots was releasing Albert Pujols, you know it's not a great season.

In the back drop is this belief/notion that Arte meddles with the front office.  There's the poor track record of acquiring top of the rotation pitching via free agency and the lack of developing that from within (although that seems to be a bit better now).

We watched the defense implode.  We watched the pitching suffer.  We saw more new names in the lineup than we can ever remember. At times it felt like the Angels were having open try-outs for guys who were playing in some beer league.

You know your team sucks when Jack Mayfield makes the most headlines of late...

Just for fun, we saw Darron Sutton dismissed and a guy with zero previous play by play experience fill in for a mid-season acquisition - who spends his weekends announcing football games (I can't even remember his name).

We spent game after game, wondering what in the heck Joe Maddon is doing.  Granted, we do that with every manager - but this season it seemed like that was happening more than ever before.

I'm probably leaving some stuff out - but it's enough to make us all wonder... "What's next?"

I'm still a fan, but my interest in the team was less than I can ever remember.  It seems like uncertainty surrounds the future.  That's not fun.

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32 minutes ago, True Grich said:

From a fan's point of view (mine), it just seem like the Angels are a disorganized mess.  Before the season we were fed lines about defense and the importance of a good catcher, and playing 1985 style baseball, but not much about the season reflected any of that.  Then came the injuries (lots of them and to key players) and what appeared to be miss-information about how long players would be out, etc. 

Along the way, we learned the scouting department was reduced dramatically and then we had issues come to light in the media with how the minor leaguers were supposedly being treated.  The Skaggs stuff resurfaced.  Calloway happened.  Renigfo's issues made the news.  The trade deadline came and went and players many thought would be traded for prospects - didn't get traded for one reason or another.  The inactivity was alarming to some.

From a fan's point of view - there's nothing happening that gives us much confidence that things will get better.  When one of the season's bright spots was releasing Albert Pujols, you know it's not a great season.

In the back drop is this belief/notion that Arte meddles with the front office.  There's the poor track record of acquiring top of the rotation pitching via free agency and the lack of developing that from within (although that seems to be a bit better now).

We watched the defense implode.  We watched the pitching suffer.  We saw more new names in the lineup than we can ever remember. At times it felt like the Angels were having open try-outs for guys who were playing in some beer league.

You know your team sucks when Jack Mayfield makes the most headlines of late...

Just for fun, we saw Darron Sutton dismissed and a guy with zero previous play by play experience fill in for a mid-season acquisition - who spends his weekends announcing football games (I can't even remember his name).

We spent game after game, wondering what in the heck Joe Maddon was doing.  Granted, we do that with every manager - but this season it seemed like that was happening more than ever before.

I'm probably leaving some stuff out - but it's enough to make us all wonder... "What's next?"

I'm still a fan, but my interest in the team was less than I can ever remember.  It seems like uncertainty surrounds the future.  That's not fun.

For all the complaining we did about Scioscia and his frequent lineup changes, Mayfield, Gosselin, and Iglesias have all recorded AB's in every spot in the batting order this season. Lagares has recorded meaningful AB's from 4th to 9th. Stassi from 3rd to 9th. Yeah I'm pretty sure Maddon has been picking lineups and defensive alignments out of a hat to combat his apathy this year. 

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I'm as frustrated as many of you - I just don't show it the same way.  Actually, I just sort of roll with how things are and find other ways to occupy my time. 

The thing I hate most is the uncertainty I feel about the future.  I'd like to find reasons to be optimistic because that's my nature - but that seems like a difficult task.  Don't get me wrong - I don't obsess about it.  Angels baseball is just sort of fading into the background.  I still check in and watch games - just not with any regularity.

As great as Trout is and as amazing as Ohtani is - it's hard to get excited about a team that isn't winning. And it's hard to get excited about a team that doesn't show any promise for the immediate future. 

Once again - the Angels will head into the off-season with tons of questions marks and holes to fill.  AND... we have the CBA looming....

Baseball is a big part of what I like to watch for entertainment purposes and to talk about with friends.  It just hasn't been entertaining of late and there's not much to talk about - unless you want to vent (which I guess I'm doing now).

Baseball is supposed to be fun.  I'd just like it to actually be fun again.

 

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6 minutes ago, Trendon said:

well, he asked for examples of proactive questions

Your question is based on the premise that the underperforming players are kept solely because they have a good clubhouse presence. I think that line of thinking is wrong. Which players would fall into that category? 

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