Joe Maddon on the state of the Angels

[Revad]

Lou you don’t want the long form.

[T.G.]

I want to see Revad break the internet.... or at least AW.

[T.G.]

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, Revad said:

If you want me spell this shit out I can do it.  Trust me.

Do you drink a lot?

[T.G.]

This thread suddenly has potential.

[T.G.]

8 minutes ago, Revad said:

Lou you don’t want the long form.

[Revad]

12 minutes ago, Lou said:

Jeff never slumps.

rust never sleeps

[Lou]

12 minutes ago, Revad said:

Lou you don’t want the long form.

I didn't want the short version.

[Revad]

10 minutes ago, Lou said:

Do you drink a lot?

Sometimes yes sometimes no. But if you’re actually asking if I’m always crazy?  You know I’m an angels fan, right

[BTH]

6 hours ago, Lou said:

Your question is based on the premise that the underperforming players are kept solely because they have a good clubhouse presence. I think that line of thinking is wrong. Which players would fall into that category? 

Suzuki and Guerra, specifically.

The fact that they put Junior Guerra on the IL with a fake injury rather just DFA'ing him last week shows that they've done that.

[Lou]

16 minutes ago, Trendon said:

Suzuki and Guerra, specifically.

The fact that they put Junior Guerra on the IL with a fake injury rather just DFA'ing him last week shows that they've done that.

1. What other catcher do we have that is any good? The other 2 guys who started games behind the plate were Bemboom and Butera.

2. Guerra has a great clubhouse presence? How do you know this? 

[BTH]

19 minutes ago, Lou said:

1. What other catcher do we have that is any good? The other 2 guys who started games behind the plate were Bemboom and Butera.

2. Guerra has a great clubhouse presence? How do you know this? 

1. Chad Wallach, who has been a catcher in the majors for multiple years. Have you see Suzuki back there?

2. Joe Maddon has said so. I'll see if I can find an exact quote.

 

Edit: I looked, but I can't find it. I believe it was in a pre or post game interview. Sorry to not be able to back it up with proof, but I know I heard him say it at some point.

[Lou]

8 minutes ago, Trendon said:

1. Chad Wallach, who has been a catcher in the majors for multiple years. Have you see Suzuki back there?

2. Joe Maddon has said so. I'll see if I can find an exact quote.

Wallach? He's terrible. 

OPS+ this year with Miami of 59.

Caught stealing % of 7.  Yes, seven. 

[BTH]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

Wallach? He's terrible. 

OPS+ this year with Miami of 59.

Caught stealing % of 7.  Yes, seven. 

Have you seen Kurt Suzuki? He can't frame or present pitches and he always lets balls get past him.

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Trendon said:

Have you seen Kurt Suzuki? He can't frame or present pitches and he always lets balls get past him.

And, yet, he's still better than Wallach. 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Trendon said:

Have you seen Kurt Suzuki? He can't frame or present pitches and he always lets balls get past him.

I think we've all seen Suzuki. 

Wallach isn't better than Suzuki enough at pitch framing to make up for everything else.

[Lou]

Suzuki: 7 PBs in 521 innings.

Wallach: 4 PBs in 158 innings.

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I think we've all seen Suzuki. 

Wallach isn't better than Suzuki enough at pitch framing to make up for everything else.

He's not better than him at all. 

[Tank]

so i wonder how the current pitching staff reacted to maddon's comments. kind of a painful thing to hear.

[Wisconsin27]

Joe's wrong about a lot of things.  This isn't one of them.

Our offense, if healthy, is fine.  Our defense, by individual abilities, is fine (pull your head out, Joe).  

A rotation that "counts on" Suarez, Canning, Detmers, C-Rod, Barria, etc. is not going to put on par with the elite.  It's that simple.  We need more MLB proven arms in both the rotation and the BP if we want to compete for a championship.

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

On 9/22/2021 at 5:13 PM, Chuckster70 said:

Here comes Jason Heyward. 

Yay!  More veterans who have peaked!  That always works for us!

[Angel Oracle]

8 hours ago, Lou said:

Jeff never slumps.

Can he teach the other Fletch to not slump so horribly?

[Angel Oracle]

On 9/22/2021 at 5:13 PM, Chuckster70 said:

Here comes Javy Baez, Kyle Hendricks and Jason Heyward. 

That would be so like Arte and Maddon.

[Jeff Fletcher]

14 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Did you or anyone else ask or did he elaborate on who if anyone on the staff he believes fits his view of being ready to win right now?   What if anything does he attribute the defensive struggles to?

No. I don't believe he'd answer that on the record anyway.

But I am pretty sure that he views Ohtani and Sandoval as guys who could be in a rotation of a good team, and then maybe Suarez if he's at the end. Everyone else is a wait and see.

[Jeff Fletcher]

13 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

Asking questions that get Maddon and/or others in leadership roles to explain why they think the Angels are in the situation they're in right now, why the team has had long-term struggles to get back on the path to success, etc.

Minasian and Maddon have not been here for long enough to answer that question.

We asked Carpino last year after he fired Eppler and he gave a pretty vague answer along the lines of "we must be doing something wrong and we need to figure it out."