If the Angels trade for an ACE

[Tank]

27 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

I would be very happy getting Sale.  I think he is a warrior.  Sign me up.

 

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Even with the PRP injection last season?  I am pretty sure that is the same thing Richards and Ohtani both got prior to TJ surgery.  If I was sure his elbow was healthy then it is a no brainer.

hey, if he's gonna need TJ surgery he might as well have it with us. you always want to go with the most experienced team around for something like this.

[AngelsFaninGA]

2 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

There is risk involved when taking on a pitcher with a recent injury, but no more than the risk involved with signing a FA like Ryu. 

The additional risk is the haul of prospects you have to give up

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 hour ago, VariousCrap said:

At this point, the Angels best option is to trade for an ace-level starter who has an expensive contract.  That way they give up less prospects and just take on the money.

Besides David Price, what other starter fits this definition?

Jonny Cueto

[Dtwncbad]

6 minutes ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

Sale is too risky and the contract is too long. 

Price scares me, I feel like at his age and given his performance last year he's hit that inflection point in his career where he starts to tail off. Would not trade anyone any prospects of consequence for him.

No to Boyd.

Gray's away splits are actually worse than his home splits which is worrying.

Syndergaard is probably the only guy mentioned that I'd take a chance on for Marsh. The other guys don't seem meaningfully better than what we could get on the free agent market. 

1). What was available in free agency is completely irrelevant now.

2). Man, I just can digest this idea that Marsh is so special that the only way you trade him is for Syndergaard.  (For the record I would love to have Syndergaard.)

Just saying Marsh is a really good prospect, but absolutely completely tradeable to solve this pitching problem.

[Tank]

4 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Jonny Cueto

isn't he recovering from TJS?

[Lou]

4 minutes ago, Tank said:

isn't he recovering from TJS?

he came back to pitch in September

[Tank]

Just now, Lou said:

he came back to pitch in September

thnx. when is his next TJS going to happen?

[Dtwncbad]

11 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Jonny Cueto

Reporting rumblings or pure speculation? 

[Angel Oracle]

Cueto only has 38 starts over the past 3 years, AND either 2 years/$48.7 million or 3 years/$65.7 million remaining.    Hard Pass 

[Dtwncbad]

How about a 31 year old guy that made it back from surgery and was hitting 96 on the gun getting paid $7.75m for 2020?

Do I dare even mention his name?  42nd overall pick in the 2009 draft. . . 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

11 minutes ago, Tank said:

thnx. when is his next TJS going to happen?

Right after the trade bringing him here.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

[Dick B Back]

27 minutes ago, AngelsFaninGA said:

The additional risk is the haul of prospects you have to give up

The point is for a team like Boston with a couple of pitchers with injury risk and healthy contracts, the prospect haul would be considerably less if they are trying to get their payroll down.

[Lou]

16 minutes ago, Tank said:

thnx. when is his next TJS going to happen?

2/21 

[SkyMonkey]

5 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

How about a 31 year old guy that made it back from surgery and was hitting 96 on the gun getting paid $7.75m for 2020?

Do I dare even mention his name?  42nd overall pick in the 2009 draft. . . 

That would be rich....

[TroutField]

5 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

How about a 31 year old guy that made it back from surgery and was hitting 96 on the gun getting paid $7.75m for 2020?

Do I dare even mention his name?  42nd overall pick in the 2009 draft. . . 

The pads need pitching and they didn’t pay him 7 million dollars last year to rehab, and not reap any benefits from it. The whole thing was they paid him last year and then get this year at a solid discount if it plays out right. 

[VariousCrap]

32 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Jonny Cueto

Ugh.....no thanks.

[VariousCrap]

20 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Cueto only has 38 starts over the past 3 years, AND either 2 years/$48.7 million or 3 years/$65.7 million remaining.    Hard Pass 

I'd rather the Angels get Price and I not really a Price fan.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

11 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

The point is for a team like Boston with a couple of pitchers with injury risk and healthy contracts, the prospect haul would be considerably less if they are trying to get their payroll down.

If another team were willing to eat all of the money, which is a huge if.

[Tank]

8 minutes ago, Lou said:

2/21 

he should probably wait until mid-april.

[Dick B Back]

8 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

If another team were willing to eat all of the money, which is a huge if.

I don’t think anyone has posted “all of the money.”

[Vegas Halo Fan]

2 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

I don’t think anyone has posted “all of the money.”

If you don't. it's going to cost - a lot.

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

For me, The only way Adell is getting traded is if it’s for a package involving both Lindor and Clevinger. Outside of thst, I’m okay with packaging Marsh and/or Canning for a Syndergaard or Clevinger alone. I really like Canning but he isn’t exactly proven at this level yet, plus I worry about his elbow. 

[Dtwncbad]

How about go after Hendricks And Contreras and take on Heyward to hold on to as much minor league talent as possible?

Heyward is massively overpaid but is now owed 4 years/92m.

Hendricks is owed 4/$55m.

Imagine if those two traded contracts.  Would you pay Hendricks the 4/92 owed to Heyward?  Heck yeah.

So then you have Heyward as your starting RF for now and then your fourth OF when Adell arrives basically at Hendricks cost of 4/$55m.

(if that was confusing sorry, trying to look at overall cost of the two players and view it as they swapped contracts)

Thats an expensive 4th OF but I can see this being a way to get a damn good pitcher.

 

Edited December 23, 2019 by Dtwncbad

[TroutField]

3 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

How about go after Hendricks And Contreras and take on Heyward to hold on to as much minor league talent as possible?

Heyward is massively overpaid but is now owed 4 years/92m.

Hendricks is owed 4/$55m.

Imagine if those two traded contracts.  Would you pay Hendricks the 4/92 owed to Heyward?  Heck yeah.

So then you have Heyward as your starting RF for now and then your fourth OF when Adell arrives basically at Hendricks cost of 4/$55m.

(if that was confusing sorry, trying to look at overall cost of the two players and view it as they swapped contracts)

Thats an expensive 4th OF but I can see this being a way to get a damn good pitcher.

 

 

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I mean it would make the Cozart and Wilson trade make a little more sense since we needed the payroll space.

 

right now it feels like we gave away a 1st rounder to save some cash... which wasn’t really what Arte had said going into the offseason .