How many more starts does Harvey get?

[Glen]

Was this his last one?

[rafibomb]

If he struggles one more time I say he gets the hook.

[nando714]

Next start is probably vs Baltimore? 

He’ll fool some people in the front office again after he goes 6 solid innings 

[eligrba]

However many starts beyond this point is too many. He is no longer a major league pitcher. Harvey, along with Cozart, are two free agent signings that missed from the very beginning.  

[Stradling]

Until we acquire another arm or two.  We simply don’t have the depth.  If Harvey is released that means either Cahill or Barria is starting.  What if there’s an injury?  

[zenmaster]

Hopefully none, probably 10+.

[Second Base]

Well no one's wants him at the trade deadline, and unless they promote Suarez to a permanent role, or acquire controllable pitching at the deadline, we have no replacement for him.

So pretty much Harvey gets the full year. Cahill too.

[floplag]

Presumably at least as many as he is scheduled for between now and the deadline, which is one of the main reason i havent been in favor of the whole "wait and see" attitude.   It becomes self fulfilling.  We need pitching, well lets see where we are at the deadline, then we send out guys we shouldnt for too many games and were out of it.  But that seems the way of things, wait to make a decision till the decision is basically made for you. 

[halomatt]

34 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Well no one's wants him at the trade deadline, and unless they promote Suarez to a permanent role, or acquire controllable pitching at the deadline, we have no replacement for him.

So pretty much Harvey gets the full year. Cahill too.

This is my thought.  If the team plays .500 ball the next ten days, he'll stay for sure.  It's becoming reality (it seems) that he'll not have the explosive fastball anymore, and if if wants to continue to play baseball, he'll have to start throwing more sinkers and become more of a ground ball pitcher. He's going to have to learn to pitch with different tools now, and he'll need time to do so. 

[floplag]

39 minutes ago, halomatt said:

This is my thought.  If the team plays .500 ball the next ten days, he'll stay for sure.  It's becoming reality (it seems) that he'll not have the explosive fastball anymore, and if if wants to continue to play baseball, he'll have to start throwing more sinkers and become more of a ground ball pitcher. He's going to have to learn to pitch with different tools now, and he'll need time to do so. 

500 ball for the next 10 days takes buying mostly off the table unless its with next year in mind.  We need to do better than that. 
Between now and the end of the month we 12 games, 10 of which are Sea, Bal, and Det, then 2 with the Dogs. 
We need 8 of those 12 in my opinion.   Win each series plus split with the dogs.   That would put us 6 over at 58-52 and possibly leap over Tex and Bos. 

[fan_since79]

What happened to Nick Tropeano?? The guy appears and then disappears for months at a time.

 

[Taylor]

55 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

What happened to Nick Tropeano?? The guy appears and then disappears for months at a time.

He's sporting a stellar 7.09 ERA in AAA this season.

[IIIII]

I think we would all say one more bad start and he should be long gone but this team has 0 sp depth so probably the whole year. So sad 

[Dick Enberg]

16 minutes ago, Taylor said:

He's sporting a stellar 7.09 ERA in AAA this season.

Wow! thought he was hurt again. Always thought he would be an solid 4, 5 in the rotation. We need Hank back! Hank "Ding-Dong" Conger! HBHS alumni! 

[ScottT]

His struggles when he is ahead in the count are bizarre. He should be able to perform near last year's level

[Taylor]

7 minutes ago, ScottT said:

His struggles when he is ahead in the count are bizarre.

It seems like every SP on the Angels this season tends to get ahead 0-2 and then completely lose their command.

[stormngt]

9 hours ago, RBM said:

I think he will take his next turn on the bump and I hope he does well because I really don't know who we replace him with.

Barria would be the next in line I guess but he gave up 12 hits and 9 runs in 4.2 IP in his last start at SLC. Maybe spot start Cahill? He has looked better this month. He has a 3.52 ERA in 7.2 innings covering 4 relief appearances. Sandoval? Probably too early. Not any great options right now.

If we pick up a SP at the trade deadline they could/would slide into Harvey's slot.

I guess Barria's success against major league teams means nothing.  The guy had one bad 1.2 innings.   3 74 ERA in a season plus in the MLB. That includes the 1.2 innings were he gave up 7 runs.  Take that one game out and he has a 2.71 ERA this year!

But yes we should go with Harvey instead!

 

[Duren, Duren]

 I think he has little confidence that he can nail the third strike and is afraid of issuing walks. So he over compensates and grooves pitches that are easily hittable. His stuff isn't good enough by itself, and he isn't fooling hitters.

93 hour fastball max can be ok if it has enough movement and is part of an effective mix of pitches/speeds and variations in locations. Right now his pitches are either too wild or too fat. Hitters are sitting back, waiting to hit his mistakes. 

Not sure how much better he can be. Lingering injury/incomplete recovery may be factors. Costing a lot of money, even if just for one year. Spot start him for a few weeks and hope for the best.  Then if he doesn't get better  bury him in the bullpen if no deal can be worked out. 

 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

It's looking very much like a failed experiment. I'm willing to see one more start, then a decision has ti be made.

[Drink More Yakult]

Was he really that bad? Balll 4 to Brantley in the first should have been strike 3 inning over. Could he be better? Yeah, obviously. But this start against the Astros wasn't as bad as some of his previous ones. The game looks a lot different if we aren't chasing 5 after 2.5 innings.

[zenmaster]

Parker Bridwell is an impressive 4-4 with a 9.10 ERA in AAA. Maybe give him a start. 

[VariousCrap]

1 hour ago, stormngt said:

I guess Barria's success against major league teams means nothing.  The guy had one bad 1.2 innings.   3 74 ERA in a season plus in the MLB. That includes the 1.2 innings were he gave up 7 runs.  Take that one game out and he has a 2.71 ERA this year!

But yes we should go with Harvey instead!

 

 

The team would be much better off with Barria pitching than Harvey every five games.

[PattyD22]

2 hours ago, Taylor said:

It seems like every SP on the Angels this season tends to get ahead 0-2 and then completely lose their command.

The Angels have given up a league leading 24 home runs when their pitchers have a hitter 0-2 or 1-2 in the count.  That is unbelievably awful.  

 

[eligrba]

1 hour ago, Drink More Yakult said:

Was he really that bad? Balll 4 to Brantley in the first should have been strike 3 inning over. Could he be better? Yeah, obviously. But this start against the Astros wasn't as bad as some of his previous ones. The game looks a lot different if we aren't chasing 5 after 2.5 innings.

It is impossible to sugar coat giving up 5 runs in 2.5 innings.  Not getting call on one pitch does not change the reality of Harvey's suckage.

[stormngt]

7 minutes ago, VariousCrap said:

 

The team would be much better off with Barria pitching than Harvey every five games.

I believe the team would be better off with Barria pitching over Suarez (although I think he is doing ok with hist first taste if experience and Pena)