Brad Ausmus on the collision at homeplate

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, Calzone 2 said:

Remember that Lucroy never has possession of the ball so therefore is also in violation.

To be in violation, he has to be blocking the plate.

He wasn't. 

[Troll Daddy]

11 minutes ago, RBM said:

So I guess what you don’t understand is, well, a couple of things actually. 

1. Photography. You’re looking at the wrong angle Daddy. 

2. The rule. Lucroy was set up in fair territory Daddy, with his left foot out front and inside the plate. The entire plate was wide open for a runner rounding third. Problem was said runner decided to veer into fair territory and away from the plate initiating contact. 

Lucroy wasn’t even on the plate. His back ?  for was a foot in front of the plate and his front ? was three feet in front of the plate. The runner would have to run outside  of the baseline to even attempt to slide. 

[m0nkey]

1 minute ago, Troll Daddy said:

Lucroy wasn’t even on the plate. His back ?  for was a foot in front of the plate and his front ? was three feet in front of the plate. 

Would’ve been better if instead of writing three feet you did ???

[floplag]

16 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

I don’t see any part of the plate exposed for the runner. 

 

Youre going to ride this horse till it dies, but still shots dont tell the story.   Perhaps you heard of a hook slide or any other slide technique to avoid a tag?   No?
OK, how aboutthe fact that they are both on the same side of that white line?  No?  
OH, how about the lowering of the shoulder?   The fact that he went high at the head?  Any of this ringing any bells?    
Probably not... 

[BackUpTheTruck]

The catcher is allowed fair territory.

If there is a bad throw, and the catcher goes into foul territory, without the ball, the runner has the right to collide with the catcher.

Lucroy was in fair territory the entire time, and Marisnick clearly did not attempt to stay in foul territory and slide into home plate. What Marisnick did was an old school "take out the catcher" approach.

[Troll Daddy]

1 minute ago, floplag said:

Youre going to ride this horse till it dies, but still shots dont tell the story.   Perhaps you heard of a hook slide or any other slide technique to avoid a tag?   No?
OK, how aboutthe fact that they are both on the same side of that white line?  No?  
OH, how about the lowering of the shoulder?   The fact that he went high at the head?  Any of this ringing any bells?    
Probably not... 

Hook slide how’s that possible when Lucroy is way out in front of the plate.

Lowing his shoulders with his hands and arms outstretched? 

He hit his head with his face not his shoulders ... which was just as dangerous for him.

[Claude]

16 minutes ago, Lou said:

To be in violation, he has to be blocking the plate.

He wasn't. 

It was a quick play but Lucroy’s left foot was temporarily in foul territory without possession of the ball. He adjusted to the right but it was too late.

Edited July 8, 2019 by Calzone 2

[JAHV76]

Here’s another perspective.

[ScottT]

31 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

It was fourteen years ago, when Erstad knocked over the Braves catcher.

Only difference was that it was legal back then.

Huge difference in the rule and the play

[Lou]

7 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

hit his head with his face not his shoulders ... 

Just stop already

[Troll Daddy]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

Just stop already

Shoulders follow the head duh nice try

[Docwaukee]

it doesn't matter where lucroy was, where Marisnick was, or where the ball was.  The intent of the rule is to avoid this type of contact.  Even if the catcher is blocking a direct path, then the runner is supposed to go around him because they have the easier ability to alter their course.   The runner avoids contact and then the play can be reviewed to determine of the Catcher was inappropriately blocking the plate.  

Marisnick initiated contact.  Clearly and end of story.  The purpose of the new rule is to keep that from happening.  Whether he gets suspended is another story but there was a path to go around and he didn't take it.  I doubt he meant to injure him but it certainly seems like he intended to make 

Another nuance.  Catchers are instructed to catch the ball in fair territory and therefore runner have been instructed to go to the outside.  It's not a rule per se, but expected.  Catchers no longer set themselves up in a defensive position for the impact of an oncoming runner because the runner is not supposed to him them under any circumstance.  

 

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Troll Daddy said:

Shoulders follow the head duh nice try

Bullshit.

"hit his head with his face not his shoulders ... "

[Blarg]

I love Yadiar Molina and all you jackasses on the wrong side of this argument should just ask yourself why? Why do you want to be a Dodger fan?

[Lou]

I bumped my head on a cabinet the other day.

My shoulder didn't make contact with said cabinet

[Troll Daddy]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

I bumped my head on a cabinet the other day.

My shoulder didn't make contact with said cabinet

Maybe you should try running into the cabinet full speed head first and let me know  

[Docwaukee]

3 minutes ago, Lou said:

I bumped my head on a cabinet the other day.

My shoulder didn't make contact with said cabinet

we just got a new shoulderboard for our bedroom.  it looks nice.  

[Claude]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

The catcher may not block the pathway of a runner attempting to score unless he has possession of the ball.

Lucroy was blocking his path to the plate without the ball. 

[Docwaukee]

Just now, Calzone 2 said:

Lucroy was blocking his path to the plate without the ball. 

doesn't matter.  runner is supposed to go around and let replay determine that.  no contact.  period.  end of story.  

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

No, the Angels did. It was originally scored as a run. 

No. He was called out on the field. The Astros challenged and it was upheld 

[Troll Daddy]

14 minutes ago, RBM said:

Love Yadier's passion about this in dealing with the people who just don't get it. Check his instagram. Pretty cool.

It wasn’t  verified ... it could be anybody 

[Lou]

17 minutes ago, Calzone 2 said:

Lucroy was blocking his path to the plate without the ball. 

Was there a ghost runner?

[Lou]

Yadier Molina calls out Jake Marisnick for violent home plate collision in expletive-filled rant

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/yadier-molina-home-plate-collision-expletive-filled-rant-044742494.html

[Lou]

5 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

It wasn’t  verified ... it could be anybody 

You're bordering on Calzone-level of being wrong.

Please be careful

[stormngt]

5 hours ago, ScottT said:

Marisnick changed directions, but clearly didn't know where the ball was coming. How could he?  That was not dirty.  No way.  

?  He changed direction to his left.   Right into the path of where a catcher would be.  If he was trying to score he takes a step to his right in effort to slide around the tag!