David Fletcher

[stormngt]

43 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Does anybody else like the potential idea of 1-4 looking like this (assuming Ohtani gets better)

Fletcher

LaStella

Trout

Ohtani

After the first inning that's it is.

[AngelsLakersFan]

On 5/29/2019 at 10:33 AM, Blarg said:

Simply he is playing way over his head for a slappy middle infielder that hits so very few home runs. It probably isn't sustainable simply because he lives off of contact which requires maintaining both swing consistency and adaptation to pitchers exploiting weaknesses.

I've been betting against him since before he was originally called up, I'm not going to do that anymore. 

[Angelsjunky]

Fletch snuck into the Fangraphs top 30 in WAR, with 2.1. He's at #28, with the same WAR as Anthony Rizzo and JT Realmuto.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/06/the-angel-who-cant-miss.html

The Angels are off to a 29-31 start two-plus months into the season, but the Halos’ unimposing 60-game record isn’t the fault of their offense. The team’s Mike Trout-led attack ranks sixth in the majors in wRC+ (108) and 12th in runs (301), in part because it seldom strikes out. No team is running a lower K percentage (16.3) or a higher contact rate (82.9) than the Angels, though their ringleader isn’t Trout in either regard. Sure, Trout’s well above average in both categories (what else is new?), but it’s teammate David Fletcher who reigns as the Angels’ low-strikeout, high-contact king.

The 25-year-old Fletcher earned his first league promotion just under a year ago (on June 12, 2018), though he certainly wasn’t seen as a can’t-miss prospect at the time. But the infielder/outfielder hasn’t missed, literally or figuratively, in his first 12 months in the majors. In fact, Fletcher has already racked up 4.0 fWAR in 530 major league plate appearances. Since Fletcher’s first game last June 13, only three second basemen (Javier Baez, Whit Merrifield and Ketel Marte) have outdone him in the fWAR department. While a large portion of Fletcher’s 2018 value came from his defense, which has remained a strength this season, he’s now making the majority of his hay with his right-handed swing...

click link for rest.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/06/the-angel-who-cant-miss.html

[Troll Daddy]

Quickly becoming one of my favorite players ... move over Trout 

[nate]

On 5/29/2019 at 1:49 AM, Glen said:

For reasons most posters know all I'll say is that David Fletcher is a player on the Angels.

walking a tightrope man

[Docwaukee]

Last 21 games.  

.205/.289/.247

babip - .219.  

Doesn't seem like he's making hard contact like he had been.  Still playing excellent defense though

As an aside, none of us were sure his 1.9 WAR in 307 PA from last year was sustainable 

2019 - 1.8 WAR in 302 PA.  

[totdprods]

He’s always going to have his fate tied to BAbip until he puts up an above-average BB% rate. I’ve said before, he could wind up hitting .330 as easily as .270, until the BB% changes.

Edited June 30, 2019 by totdprods

[Lou]

The first rule of You Don't Criticize Gritty White Guys Club is you don't talk about You Don't Criticize Gritty White Guys Club. 

[Docwaukee]

5 minutes ago, Lou said:

The first rule of You Don't Criticize Gritty White Guys Club is you don't talk about You Don't Criticize Gritty White Guys Club. 

Lucroy sucks.  

[Lou]

9 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

Lucroy sucks.  

it's ok to talk about White Guys Who Suck Club 

[UndertheHalo]

Cursed thread.

Edited June 30, 2019 by UndertheHalo

[stormngt]

4 hours ago, totdprods said:

He’s always going to have his fate tied to BAbip until he puts up an above-average BB% rate. I’ve said before, he could wind up hitting .330 as easily as .270, until the BB% changes.

His OBP. 

379 last 7 games

365 last 30

[Lou]

.279 OBP in his last 20 games 

[totdprods]

2 hours ago, stormngt said:

His OBP. 

379 last 7 games

365 last 30

And? That has no bearing on what I said. I didn't criticize his OBP skills. Fletcher simply does not have the power or the above-average BB% (yet) to be a hitter that doesn't have his fate hinge on BAbip. 

Last year, he walked at a 4.9% rate, this year, he's increased that greatly, to 8.9%, which is basically the MLB average (8.5%), which bodes very well for his long-term growth. 

But, until the day comes where he gets a 11-13% BB%, which might happen, but also might not, he's going to have a lot of his offensive fate ride on his BAbip, which can go either way. 

[stormngt]

50 minutes ago, totdprods said:

And? That has no bearing on what I said. I didn't criticize his OBP skills. Fletcher simply does not have the power or the above-average BB% (yet) to be a hitter that doesn't have his fate hinge on BAbip. 

Last year, he walked at a 4.9% rate, this year, he's increased that greatly, to 8.9%, which is basically the MLB average (8.5%), which bodes very well for his long-term growth. 

But, until the day comes where he gets a 11-13% BB%, which might happen, but also might not, he's going to have a lot of his offensive fate ride on his BAbip, which can go either way. 

So on base percentage isn't above average?

[totdprods]

47 minutes ago, stormngt said:

So on base percentage isn't above average?

Again, not the point I'm making.

[stormngt]

2 hours ago, totdprods said:

And? That has no bearing on what I said. I didn't criticize his OBP skills. Fletcher simply does not have the power or the above-average BB% (yet) to be a hitter that doesn't have his fate hinge on BAbip. 

Last year, he walked at a 4.9% rate, this year, he's increased that greatly, to 8.9%, which is basically the MLB average (8.5%), which bodes very well for his long-term growth. 

But, until the day comes where he gets a 11-13% BB%, which might happen, but also might not, he's going to have a lot of his offensive fate ride on his BAbip, which can go either way. 

 

[totdprods]

@stormngt, BB% isn't OBP.

Edited July 1, 2019 by totdprods

[stormngt]

47 minutes ago, totdprods said:

@stormngt, BB% isn't OBP.

WTF. ?

OBP= (hits+walks)/abs

 

Fletcher

Last 5 games

217 BA. 379 OBP. Where did he get the extra. 162 over his batting average?

Last 30 games

270 BA. 349 OBP where did he get the extra .079 over his BA?

 

[arch stanton]

OBtuseP

[totdprods]

17 hours ago, stormngt said:

WTF. ?

OBP= (hits+walks)/abs

 

Fletcher

Last 5 games

217 BA. 379 OBP. Where did he get the extra. 162 over his batting average?

Last 30 games

270 BA. 349 OBP where did he get the extra .079 over his BA?

A five game sample size? Really? Give the MVP to Puello! The 30-game sample is a little easier to accept - but as you mentioned, OBP is BB plus hits, and Fletcher has always had a well-above average batting average. 

Fact of the matter is that last season, Fletcher had a well below-average BB%. This year, it's MLB average. On his career? Below-average. His minor league career never topped 8.9% BB%, which again, is MLB average. 

So again to my point, until David Fletcher walks at an above-average rate, his offensive value is going to be tied to his batting average which is above league average (around .241), and batting average will always have some fluctuation based on his BAbip. Because he doesn't walk at an above-average clip, they're going to have to hope all the balls he puts in play continue to drop at a .300 rate. He's still fairly new to the league, and if opponents start to get enough to find a shift against him, his .285-.300+ BA could slip to .265-.275 as a result.

I'm also not discounting the possibility that Fletcher finds a little more doubles-power in the next few years, which could help offset the possibility of him not drawing more walks.

[Docwaukee]

Fletch has been in a slump.  At least I hope it's a slump but he's been swinging at more than usual.  3 for his last 30 and not having his typical good at bats.  

He's a very useful player and probably deserves to start.  Or does he ultimately find his way into a super util role?  

[bulls4ever]

 A picture of Fletcher at the plate lately. 

[stormngt]

Slumps happen.  Compare his numbers for a whole season.