2020 Democratic Field

[tdawg87]

25 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

A new poll has Bernie with a 19-point lead in Nevada.

Warren, Buttigieg, and Biden are practically tied for 2nd place. Klobuchar is a distant 6th place. 

https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/sanders-has-strong-lead-in-nevada

Awesome! 

Can't wait for him to tie with Buttigieg in delegates.

[Angelsjunky]

 

5 hours ago, Tank said:

i'm disappointed in you for not remembering how it will actually turn out. here's a little reminder of an unannounced candidate swooping in at the last minute at the convention to grab the nomination:

Well, to be fair to Hillary, the DNC had already stacked the deck so that she "won" the nomination by then. I think she had 50%+ of the delegates.

1 hour ago, UndertheHalo said:

I’m also concerned about something like this.  The history is that they are stupid enough to do it.  But also, it’s so insane that it’s hard to believe they would.  It would be the end of the Democratic Party.  Not hyperbole.  They would destroy the party.  Also, Trump would crush that ticket. 

Well, I admit that I'm seriously thinking of not voting for Bloomberg if he's the nominee. I think the main difference between him and Trump is cosmetic, although I suppose he'll do less damage to the environment as president.

I also have some sympathy to the idea of a third "Progressive Party," but then the GOP would likely win most years. Anyhow, the bottom line is that there's a real civil war going on in the Democratic Party and I just don't  see a candidate that can unite both factions. If Elizabeth Warren hadn't been revealed as such a snake and probably faux progressive, it might have been her.

[UndertheHalo]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

 

Well, to be fair to Hillary, the DNC had already stacked the deck so that she "won" the nomination by then. I think she had 50%+ of the delegates.

Well, I admit that I'm seriously thinking of not voting for Bloomberg if he's the nominee. I think the main difference between him and Trump is cosmetic, although I suppose he'll do less damage to the environment as president.

I also have some sympathy to the idea of a third "Progressive Party," but then the GOP would likely win most years. Anyhow, the bottom line is that there's a real civil war going on in the Democratic Party and I just don't  see a candidate that can unite both factions. If Elizabeth Warren hadn't been revealed as such a snake and probably faux progressive, it might have been her.

You should absolutely not vote for Bloomberg.  He is worse then Trump. 

[JarsOfClay]

For all of you who keep thinking single payer costs more:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/medicare-save-450-billion-68-232211541.html

 

[Blarg]

You have zero idea what the cost would be since there is no plan on the books with how it is funded.

What will be a certainty, as experienced by socialized healthcare in other nations, is there will be a lack of service and extreme wait times for time sensitive illnesses along with refusal to provide services claiming a joint failure isn't life threatening along with eyesight that needs surgical correction. 

But you go on ahead and bang that drum. 

[Jason]

A single payer system will create more dependence on our government which then gives them more power. Is anyone really comfortable giving it to them? For those of you that absolutely hate the current administration you would be OK with them having this additional power?

[Blarg]

They seem to forget this. 

[fan_since79]

If Bernie wins, get ready for economic and stock market hell, not to mention a greatly expanded IRS.

 

His plan imposes a severe penalty on anybody who tries to leave to avoid paying his "wealth tax."

"The wealth tax includes a 40 percent exit tax on the net value of all assets under $1 billion and 60 percent over $1 billion for all wealthy individual(s) seeking to expatriate to avoid the tax," it says.

Under the current tax system, the United States does impose an "expatriation tax" on people renouncing their citizenship and leaving the country. But that tax, as explained by Forbes contributor Robert W. Wood, is applied like a capital gains tax on the estimated value of a person's holdings on the day before they leave. Generally, according to the IRS, the top capital gains rate is currently 20% -- although a 28% rate applies to some "collectibles" such as "coins and art."

Sanders obviously does not think even a 28% tax on what you own would be sufficient to deter people from fleeing the new country into which he hopes to "transform" America.

Meanwhile, patriotic Americans who stay in what they know is the greatest country on Earth -- and who work to keep it free during a Sanders reign -- would need to deal with what this self-proclaimed socialist calls a "national wealth registry."

What is that?

It is an IRS-controlled federal database of the things that "wealthy" Americans own and how much the government estimates those things are worth. Sanders believes this registry is needed to carry out his "extreme wealth tax."

After all, the government cannot know who has "extreme wealth" until it has cataloged what people suspected of being wealthy own and has assigned a monetary value to those belongings.

The way Sanders explains it, it is like you die every year and the federal government is enforcing the death tax against you -- again and again and again.

"Under current law, the IRS is already required to assess the net worth of the wealthiest Americans when they pass away, to calculate estate tax liability," says his plan. "A federal wealth tax would require the IRS to make the same assessment on an annual basis for the wealthiest Americans."

https://townhall.com/columnists/terryjeffrey/2020/02/19/bernie-fears-some-will-seek-to-flee-if-he-succeeds-n2561506

[Blarg]

This guy is fucking evil because that tax is going to hit all of us.

[fan_since79]

15 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

 

Well, to be fair to Hillary, the DNC had already stacked the deck so that she "won" the nomination by then. I think she had 50%+ of the delegates.

Well, I admit that I'm seriously thinking of not voting for Bloomberg if he's the nominee. I think the main difference between him and Trump is cosmetic, although I suppose he'll do less damage to the environment as president.

I also have some sympathy to the idea of a third "Progressive Party," but then the GOP would likely win most years. Anyhow, the bottom line is that there's a real civil war going on in the Democratic Party and I just don't  see a candidate that can unite both factions. If Elizabeth Warren hadn't been revealed as such a snake and probably faux progressive, it might have been her.

Whatever happened to guys like Jim Webb? They were called "red dog Democrats". I thought he was a decent enough fellow and just left of center. He didn't get any traction at all in this crazy far-left party.

 

[fan_since79]

3 minutes ago, Blarg said:

This guy is fucking evil because that tax is going to hit all of us.

This, times 1,000,000

[tdawg87]

9 minutes ago, Blarg said:

This guy is fucking evil because that tax is going to hit all of us.

Are you a billionaire?

[Blarg]

Are you dumb? Do you think it stops there? That dude is going to count cans of Fabreeze and tax you on it. 

[tdawg87]

Also lol @ calling Bernie "evil". You guys are so obsessed with "muh taxes" that you can't even consider the possibility of a slight increase to help people who aren't wealthy white people like you. 

You think the Republicans give a fuck about how much the middle class is being taxed? That's just fucking ignorant.

 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

Are you dumb? Do you think it stops there? That dude is going to count cans of Fabreeze and tax you on it. 

No, I'm not dumb. 

You're fucking nuts. I hope Bernie gets elected just to watch you whine about it and turn into Vladdy with your conspiracy bullshit.

"I'm telling you guys any day now we're gonna start seeing huge taxes on Depends. It's gonna happen!"

[St1ck]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

No, I'm not dumb. 

You're fucking nuts. I hope Bernie gets elected just to watch you whine about it and turn into Vladdy with your conspiracy bullshit.

"I'm telling you guys any day now we're gonna start seeing huge taxes on Depends. It's gonna happen!"

 

[fan_since79]

What's wrong with a greatly expanded IRS cataloguing everyone's assets? What could ever go wrong with that? 

Folks need to pay their fair share and should go to prison if they don't!

Free health care, free college, student loans forgiven, minimum wage tripled, free health care for illegals. Feel the Bern!

[tdawg87]

Just now, fan_since79 said:

What's wrong with a greatly expanded IRS cataloguing everyone's assets? What could ever go wrong with that? 

Folks need to pay their fair share and should go to prison if they don't!

Free health care, free college, student loans forgiven, minimum wage tripled, free health care for illegals. Feel the Bern!

If you don't pay your taxes now, what happens?

[tdawg87]

2 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

 

I'm guessing someone handed him a can and asked for a picture. This newb doesn't drink good beer. 

[UndertheHalo]

Imagine how awful it would be if the minimum wage was tripled.  Holy shit. 

[St1ck]

5 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

I'm guessing someone handed him a can and asked for a picture. This newb doesn't drink good beer. 

I asked him, and he said he prefers Focal Banger. 

[tdawg87]

Just now, st1ckboy said:

I asked him, and he said he prefers Focal Banger. 

I mean...

[tdawg87]

3 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Imagine how awful it would be if the minimum wage was tripled.  Holy shit. 

Yeah but now the poor people will be making closer to what they're making and that's just evil.

[tdawg87]

TAXES

[fan_since79]

3 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Imagine how awful it would be if the minimum wage was tripled inflation was 20%, the Dow Jones was 10,000 instead of 29,000, restaurants and other retail stores closed all across America, and...you get the picture. Holy shit.