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11 hours ago, Tank said:

thank you, ya big flatterer! still a truthful concept.

 

11 hours ago, Adam said:

And everyone who has taken history classes.

The irony is that the beloved of the white independents, Andrew Yang, has repeated pointed out that the capitalism-socialism dichotomy is false outdated. Too many Americans still don't get this.

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25 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

 

The irony is that the beloved of the white independents, Andrew Yang, has repeated pointed out that the capitalism-socialism dichotomy is false outdated. Too many Americans still don't get this.

What does “false outdated” mean?

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I know I shouldn't be but I'm still surprised that some people seem to think the government will do it better.  Capitalism isn't perfect and yes there needs to be a balance between government, businesses and social programs among other things.  That said as we've seen the federal government grow even just in our lifetimes they've only become more inefficient, subject to fraud/abuse and scarier while running up 20T+ in debt the last 4 decades.   I don't see how giving them more power or control is going to fix any of that.  I realize the status quo isn't the answer to some either but I don't want to pay even more in taxes, have fewer choices when it comes to anything they control and see less return for what I do pay to fund what some politicians are promising.  If they want to cut from the military or wherever to fund it by all means but that hasn't been a talking point I've heard so far.  

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1 hour ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

I know I shouldn't be but I'm still surprised that some people seem to think the government will do it better.  Capitalism isn't perfect and yes there needs to be a balance between government, businesses and social programs among other things.  That said as we've seen the federal government grow even just in our lifetimes they've only become more inefficient, subject to fraud/abuse and scarier while running up 20T+ in debt the last 4 decades.   I don't see how giving them more power or control is going to fix any of that.  I realize the status quo isn't the answer to some either but I don't want to pay even more in taxes, have fewer choices when it comes to anything they control and see less return for what I do pay to fund what some politicians are promising.  If they want to cut from the military or wherever to fund it by all means but that hasn't been a talking point I've heard so far.  

You need to be more specific, what control are we giving them? Health care? So the current system where we pay twice as much for health care, 10 times for prescription drugs while getting less in return and 30k Americans die a year is a good system to you? You want billionaires who profit off the death of tens of thousands of Americans in charge instead?

I don't mind giving government control as long as it's in the right hands. Of course I don't want Bush or Trump in charge of government, but I definitely trust Bernie Sanders with government.

It's not government that's the problem, it's just that the very dumb people of America keep making bad decisions with their vote, and the smart ones are stuck with their decision. We are 20T in debt because the Republican idiots keep electing Republicans who claim they are for less government and then run up the debt to levels that my children's children will suffer for. They keep falling for the stupid lie because they watch fox news and dont have the ability to think for themselves. It's Republicans. the part of fiscal responsibility that got us here, not socialism. Stop watching fox news and think for yourself.

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2 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

You need to be more specific, what control are we giving them? Health care? So the current system where we pay twice as much for health care, 10 times for prescription drugs while getting less in return and 30k Americans die a year is a good system to you? You want billionaires who profit off the death of tens of thousands of Americans in charge instead?

I don't mind giving government control as long as it's in the right hands. Of course I don't want Bush or Trump in charge of government, but I definitely trust Bernie Sanders with government.

It's not government that's the problem, it's just that the very dumb people of America keep making bad decisions with their vote, and the smart ones are stuck with their decision. We are 20T in debt because the Republican idiots keep electing Republicans who claim they are for less government and then run up the debt to levels that my children's children will suffer for. They keep falling for the stupid lie because they watch fox news and dont have the ability to think for themselves. It's Republicans. the part of fiscal responsibility that got us here, not socialism. Stop watching fox news and think for yourself.

Agreed. Republicans suck

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7 minutes ago, JarsOfClay said:

You need to be more specific, what control are we giving them? Health care? So the current system where we pay twice as much for health care, 10 times for prescription drugs while getting less in return and 30k Americans die a year is a good system to you? You want billionaires who profit off the death of tens of thousands of Americans in charge instead?

I don't mind giving government control as long as it's in the right hands. Of course I don't want Bush or Trump in charge of government, but I definitely trust Bernie Sanders with government.

It's not government that's the problem, it's just that the very dumb people of America keep making bad decisions with their vote, and the smart ones are stuck with their decision. We are 20T in debt because the Republican idiots keep electing Republicans who claim they are for less government and then run up the debt to levels that my children's children will suffer for. They keep falling for the stupid lie because they watch fox news and dont have the ability to think for themselves. It's Republicans. the part of fiscal responsibility that got us here, not socialism. Stop watching fox news and think for yourself.

Are we discounting the amount the debt went up under Obama? No criticism of any Dems at all?

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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Are we discounting the amount the debt went up under Obama? No criticism of any Dems at all?

Obama's debt was mostly from the ARRA to help recover from Bush's horrible economic collapse, and extending Bush's tax cuts after he was pressured by Republicans to keep the tax cuts for the wealthy.

I don't know why you blame Obama for that.

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