Are the Angels trying to re-sign Trout first?

[mtangelsfan]

Before making other moves?

[Barrett]

No. There is zero incentive for Trout to sign before Machado and Harper. They will both set the market and he will go over the top. 

[T.G.]

We don't know.

[goldenGlove]

yep

[ten ocho recon scout]

I think the trout thing is ongoing. Theyve been prepping for it the last few years. I dont know that its going to effect the majority of moves. Just a huge one if he tells them hes not staying. 

[Troll Daddy]

why do you ask

[Dtwncbad]

If Trout extends it will certainly be after Harper and Machado sign.

[Jeff Fletcher]

2 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

If Trout extends it will certainly be after Harper and Machado sign.

^^^^

[Jeff Fletcher]

15 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Before making other moves?

It’s also still November 

[mtangelsfan]

13 minutes ago, Barrett said:

No. There is zero incentive for Trout to sign before Machado and Harper. They will both set the market and he will go over the top. 

Right, so they are waiting for that to re-sign Trout.  Then they will know how much more they can spend.  Then they will make moves.

[mtangelsfan]

1 minute ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

It’s also still November 

Yep, just a question.

Mostly because this hot stove is cold in Halo Land.

[Barrett]

1 minute ago, mtangelsfan said:

Right, so they are waiting for that to re-sign Trout.  Then they will know how much more they can spend.  Then they will make moves.

No I disagree with that notion. We've already gone over that the payroll that Arte looks at is actual money not the avg salary. Trouts already at 35 million.

[beatlesrule]

Even if they were, it would be with a bunch of opt out clauses in his contract seeing as they have no freaking clue how to put together a contender. Trout might just be tired of not making the playoffs every year and choose to go to a team with an owner that actually gives a damn about winning a World Series.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

Trout will cost only about $10M+ more a year than his AAV is now.

[floplag]

No, 
#1 as others have said he wont till the market is set
#2 i think he needs to see what the club does to improve before those talks even happen.   It isnt just a money thing to him in my opinion, hes going to get paid regardless. 

[ettin]

9 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Trout will cost only about $10M+ more a year than his AAV is now.

It will be a bit more than that. Upwards of $17M-20M, maybe less if he signs a more team-friendly deal.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

Just now, ettin said:

It will be a bit more than that. Upwards of $17M-20M, maybe less if he signs a more team-friendly deal.

OK I underestimated his AAV ($24.33M), I doubt he will get more than $40M/yr. I'm thinking Harper gets $35M/yr tops.

$40M is 1/5 of the entire luxury tax on 1 player. Seems unlikely to put a top team on the field and stay under the tax threshold with salaries like that.

[Second Base]

The Angels can certainly try to extend Trout, but you have to think his representation is going to wait on any extension until after Harper and Machado sign their free agent contracts.  And that's assuming Trout wants to re-sign at all.  He may want to test free agency and see what sort of bidding occurs before signing or re-signing.  Just because someone reaches free agency doesn't mean there isn't an interest in returning.  It's a savvy business move. 

But I certainly hope Trout signs a 12 year extension before Spring Training. 

[Angelsjunky]

Machado will sign first, then Harper for about $50M more, then (maybe/hopefully) Trout for $100M more than Harper. Something like:

Machado: 12/$350M

Harper: 12/$400M

Trout: 12/$500M

Or that's my guess. If the Angels include an opt-out after 4 years or less, Trout would be foolish not to take that.

[wopphil]

Keep on mind, Trout will be three years older than Harper/Machado when he is set to hit free agency. This three year gap could easily be a difference if $100 mil. So while the AAV given Harper and Machado might be relevant to the analysis, the total contract value might not be as important.

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, True Grich said:

We don't know.

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[Blarg]

I would like to see Trout sign an extension early on a team friendly deal and watch Boras completely lose his shit. Instead of Harper and Machado setting any market Trout signs early and sets their market. Boom. 

[Dtwncbad]

9 minutes ago, Blarg said:

I would like to see Trout sign an extension early on a team friendly deal and watch Boras completely lose his shit. Instead of Harper and Machado setting any market Trout signs early and sets their market. Boom. 

No reason for him to do that.  He can wait til they sign, then sign for more and still be viewed as the ungreedy good guy for signing an extension before becoming a free agent, sticking with his team instead of someone who just signs with the highest bidder.

[Blarg]

But the Angels would still be the highest bidder. If he signs first and below what the talking heads are pushing then he is both not the greedy guy squeezing every dime he can out of MLB but also setting the high water mark. 

[Dtwncbad]

Why would Mike Trout want to make less money than Bryce Harper?  Who would expect him to do that? And who would require him to do that in order to view him as not greedy when he is the better player?

If he extends he just waits for the others to sign and he and the Angels then use the free data to make the right deal for him and the Angels.

There is no good reason to do it any other way.