Ohtani Medical Update from Angels

[hangin n wangin]

1 hour ago, UndertheHalo said:

Great news, if I understand correctly Tanaka and Richards were both basically at this point right ? So far so good for Tanaka.  Not so much for Richards obviously.  Just gotta hope it works out.  If the doctors aren’t recommending surgery then why would Ohatani do it and why would the Angels want him to ?

obviously they wouldn’t. 

Good for Tanaka that his arm didn’t fall off sure. He’s not the same pitcher.

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Off the top of my head, maybe the timelines are such that the Angels feel it's best for him to test the elbow out the rest of this season, and should it get damaged further or hurt, he'd still have time to get TJS, DH in '19, and pitch again in '20, and this is their way of stress-testing the elbow after PRP. 

^^^

[DMVol]

1 hour ago, Troll Daddy said:

Is the any reason why Ohtani should pitch again this season

No...not unless we win 10 in a row....

[Lou]

1 hour ago, Troll Daddy said:

Is the any reason why Ohtani should pitch again this season

@EnglishCop ?

[Angel Oracle]

Can’t hurt to try, seeing that TJS now or in the off-season both lead to returning ST 2020.

[bloodbrother]

2 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

Great news, if I understand correctly Tanaka and Richards were both basically at this point right ? So far so good for Tanaka.  Not so much for Richards obviously.  Just gotta hope it works out.  If the doctors aren’t recommending surgery then why would Ohatani do it and why would the Angels want him to ?

obviously they wouldn’t. 

While true, he hasn't been anywhere near the pitcher he was prior to the injury.

[hangin n wangin]

2 hours ago, m0nkey said:

If he has the surgery now, he'll most likely miss all next year and be ready for spring 2020.

If he starts throwing and it doesn't work out, he'll get the surgery in the offseason and  be ready for spring 2020.

What's the harm?

Yes. This is rational. But I don’t wanna!!

[fan_since79]

His arm will blow out next year, he'll have the surgery then, and return in 2021.

With this team, it's the most probable scenario. 

 

[Revad]

26 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

His arm will blow out next year, he'll have the surgery then, and return in 2021.

With this team, it's the most probable scenario. 

 

That’s why he tests it this year.

[Taylor]

5 hours ago, Ohtani&Trout said:

Eh, a part of me wishes he just gets the surgery out of the way now. I would hate for him to come back in 2019 only to re-injure himself a la Richards, and then return in 2021. But hopefully this treatment will work and he'll be good to go.

No one is going to be more cautious with Ohtani than the Angels, especially after what happened with Richards. 

[YouthofToday]

You avoid surgery if at all possible. TJ doesn’t have a 100% success rate.

the Angels and Ohtani are absolutely playing this the right way. 

[Jeff Fletcher]

When you think about it, if TJ takes 14-16 months to rehab, when is the best time of year to have it?

October-November

That’s the only time when you miss only one baseball season. 

As we sit here in July, no doctor has told him he needs it. The damage isn’t bad enough. 

So you can ....

1. Just keep resting. It may get stronger, but you still won’t know if it’s healed until you try to throw. If you don’t do that until spring training, and find out it’s not healed, you’re now having TJ at the absolute worst time. You’re missing most of two seasons. 

2. Ignore the doctors and have TJ right now because you assume you’re going to need it “someday,” and you want to get it over with. For that matter, you may as well just have every pitcher you draft have TJ right away. You can probably google some doctor in Costa Rica who will do a prevantitve TJ for you. 

3. Carefully push it from July-October and see what happens. Worst case scenario is you’re going to push it too hard and have TJ anyway, which just tells you that it’s a good thing you didn’t wait to push it in March. Best case scenario is you avoid it entirely. 

Finally, all of the comparisons to Richards or any other pitcher who had PRP have to be taken with a grain of salt. They’re different people with different injuries who react to treatment in a different way. There is obviously a wide range of outcomes. Look at Richards and Heaney. 

[MuellerTime]

Selling tickets.

Ohtani will be the DH against RHP until Sep 1 when he has TJ surgery. Then he'll hit all of 2019 and pitch in 2020. 

 

[Revad]

Maybe he’ll work on a changeup.  The splitter is great, the slider is also but all that torque.

[Angelsjunky]

1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Snip

So you're saying that the Angels medical staff might have a better clue as to how to handle Ohtani's injury than the Angelswin pundits?

[Blarg]

You misspelled pudwhacks. 

[arch stanton]

There have been no medical advances in the past 45 years. Immediate ligament replacement will always be the only possible solution for every single case. Ever

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

6 hours ago, bloodbrother said:

While true, he hasn't been anywhere near the pitcher he was prior to the injury.

Darvish had the surgery and is not the pitcher he was prior. Many pitchers are not the same as they were with or without elbow injury.

[arch stanton]

And Richards was exactly the same pitcher after the treatment and he tore up the elbow again. What was Einstein’s definition of insanity?

[Dick B Back]

8 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Ignore the doctors and have TJ right now because you assume you’re going to need it “someday,” and you want to get it over with. 

Hahaha, that’s like saying you should go ahead and get castrated and become a unic cause you know at some point you won’t be getting any anymore.

 

[Lou]

5 hours ago, arch stanton said:

And Richards was exactly the same pitcher after the treatment and he tore up the elbow again. What was Einstein’s definition of insanity?

anyone have a list of pitchers who have had more than one TJ surgery ?

[Taylor]

5 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

Hahaha, that’s like saying you should go ahead and get castrated and become a unic cause you know at some point you won’t be getting any anymore.

That explains cals.

[Dick B Back]

I think Tommy John only had one and it was so successful that....

[Taylor]

Just now, Dick B Back said:

I think Tommy John only had one and it was so successful that....

It's always amazed me that the first guy to have the surgery happened to have the same name as the surgery. What are the odds? 

[Lou]

7 minutes ago, Taylor said:

It's always amazed me that the first guy to have the surgery happened to have the same name as the surgery. What are the odds? 

Like Lou Gehrig getting Lou Gehrig's Disease.

His parents should have named him Walter.