Ohtani Medical Update from Angels

[fan_since79]

9 hours ago, MuellerTime said:

Selling tickets.

Ohtani will be the DH against RHP until Sep 1 when he has TJ surgery. Then he'll hit all of 2019 and pitch in 2020. 

 

...then blow out the arm again in mid-2020, have another surgery, then return in 2022.

Just let the guy hit and forget about the pitching. Let him have an actual career and enjoy good health.

[zenmaster]

I pulled the list of TJ surgery ever. It lists high school through MLB. Here's some stats:

4 of the last 6 TJs at MLB level have been Angels (haha)

1614 TJ surgeries total

Of those 1614, 2 players had 3 TJs (Jason Isringhausen and Jonny Venters)

Of those 1614, 95 players had 2 TJs

 

There have been 34 PRP inejctions to treat UCL since 2008

Of these 5 have been Angels, impressive since this list is for all of MLB, college, and minors (Shohei x 2, JC Ramirez, Garrett Richards, Andrew Heaney)

The only big names I see are Aaron Nola, Alex Cobb, Tanaka. Not sure if Nola and Cobb had TJ afterwards.

 

All this from 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gQujXQQGOVNaiuwSN680Hq-FDVsCwvN-3AazykOBON0/edit

 

[mulwin444]

12 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

...then blow out the arm again in mid-2020, have another surgery, then return in 2022.

Just let the guy hit and forget about the pitching. Let him have an actual career and enjoy good health.

And maybe that's not what he wants.

Maybe the agreement between Arte/Eppler and Ohtani was that he be allowed to hit AND pitch and that is one of the reasons he chose the Angels to begin with.

Ohtani is going to be allowed to try to be both and elite pitcher and hitter because..

That's what Ohtani wants

 

[HaloNArizona]

3 hours ago, zenmaster said:

I pulled the list of TJ surgery ever. It lists high school through MLB. Here's some stats:

4 of the last 6 TJs at MLB level have been Angels (haha)

1614 TJ surgeries total

Of those 1614, 2 players had 3 TJs (Jason Isringhausen and Jonny Venters)

Of those 1614, 95 players had 2 TJs

 

There have been 34 PRP inejctions to treat UCL since 2008

Of these 5 have been Angels, impressive since this list is for all of MLB, college, and minors (Shohei x 2, JC Ramirez, Garrett Richards, Andrew Heaney)

The only big names I see are Aaron Nola, Alex Cobb, Tanaka. Not sure if Nola and Cobb had TJ afterwards.

 

All this from 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gQujXQQGOVNaiuwSN680Hq-FDVsCwvN-3AazykOBON0/edit

 

Wikipedia shows a few more had two surgeries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_baseball_players_who_underwent_Tommy_John_surgery

 

[OCAngelsNotLAA]

They really just need to teach kids to pitch with both arms.  That way if they blow out one arm and need TJ surgery you just switch to the other arm and never miss a start! I'm implementing this strategy with my 2 year old now.  Check back  in 16 years to see how much of a genius/moron I am! 

[Tank]

my preference is that they don't rush him back out there. i'm going to be on pins and needles every time he takes the mound for the foreseeable future. i hope physically he responds more like heaney than richards.

[fan_since79]

8 hours ago, mulwin444 said:

And maybe that's not what he wants.

Maybe the agreement between Arte/Eppler and Ohtani was that he be allowed to hit AND pitch and that is one of the reasons he chose the Angels to begin with.

Ohtani is going to be allowed to try to be both and elite pitcher and hitter because..

That's what Ohtani wants

 

Well, we'll see how many TJ's he has to endure before he reevaluates that dream.

I hope it's none or only one, but given the strange history of this team and its pitchers, it could be more.

 

[Stradling]

4 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

Well, we'll see how many TJ's he has to endure before he reevaluates that dream.

I hope it's none or only one, but given the strange history of this team and its pitchers, it could be more.

 

Jesus dude, he’s not being forced to do both.  If he has to have one then it has virtually nothing to do with being an Angel.  If he needs to have a second one, he will probably opt to be a hitter only at that point.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

I guy I work with has had tommy john twice. Doesnt even play baseball. And on both arms.

[tdawg87]

24 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

I guy I work with has had tommy john twice. Doesnt even play baseball. And on both arms.

Can he pitch

[mulwin444]

1 hour ago, fan_since79 said:

Well, we'll see how many TJ's he has to endure before he reevaluates that dream.

I hope it's none or only one, but given the strange history of this team and its pitchers, it could be more.

 

#Angels GM Billy Eppler reiterated today that no doctor has presented TJ surgery even as an option for Shohei Ohtani at this point. They are following the lead of the doctors.

[GrittyVeterans]

You guys, if there isn't a tear right now there isn't a tear. They're not going to do TJ surgery unless there is actually something to go in and fix. Maybe it really did heal. No doctor in their right mind is going to operate on something that they feel doesn't need to be operated on. Surgery is a last resort thing most times.

Regardless, it doesn't make any sense to do the surgery right this second. Let him DH for the rest of the year and then see where he's at in October. As has been said many times, he's going to miss 2019 if he gets the surgery now or in October

[tdawg87]

17 minutes ago, mulwin444 said:

#Angels GM Billy Eppler reiterated today that no doctor has presented TJ surgery even as an option for Shohei Ohtani at this point. They are following the lead of the doctors.

Yes but Angels

[mulwin444]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

Yes but Angels

Preemptive Tommy John surgeries for everyone!

[tdawg87]

Give Canning TJ surgery now, so he'll be ready to go by 2020.

[Blarg]

11 hours ago, Dick B Back said:

Hahaha, that’s like saying you should go ahead and get castrated and become a unic cause you know at some point you won’t be getting any anymore.

 

@Adam agrees. 

[fan_since79]

1 hour ago, mulwin444 said:

Preemptive Tommy John surgeries for everyone!

Multiple ones!

Start them when they're in Rookie League. 

[Taylor]

The armchair sports physicians are out in full force in this thread.

[Lou]

 

[Blarg]

Looks like he lost a little on his fastball.

[EnglishCop]

On 7/19/2018 at 6:58 PM, Troll Daddy said:

Is the any reason why Ohtani should pitch again this season

 

On 7/19/2018 at 8:31 PM, Lou said:

@EnglishCop ?

Troll Daddy's English skills update from EnglishCop: they're still really bad.

[Tank]

On 7/20/2018 at 5:44 PM, tdawg87 said:

Can he pitch

not anymore.

[Tank]

On 7/20/2018 at 7:33 PM, fan_since79 said:

Multiple ones!

Start them when they're in Rookie League. 

we can make TJ surgery as common as all those NFL linemen who wear knee braces once they start playing NCAA ball.

get 'er done, eppy.