Andrelton Simmons

[Inside Pitch]

3 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

SS is a solid position in the AL now, with Simmons, Lindor, Machado, Correa, and Segura.

Gregorius fell off the face of the earth offensively in May.

People used to say that SS saw it's golden age during Nomar/Jeter/Arod era -- but, things dropped off pretty massively after those three.   Lindor, Correa, Machado, Simmons, Segura, Trea Turner, Seager, Brandon Crawford..   lots of guys putting in a lot of fine SS play right now -- and you still have guys like 80 year old Asdrubal Cabrera tearing it up.   If JP Crawford, Addison Russell, and Dansby Swanson live up to their hype -- it's gonna be hard for anyone to argue this isnt the best era of SS ever.

[Dick B Back]

13 minutes ago, Pablo said:

Agree. And I bet he places no better than 5th in the AL all-star balloting.

Yep, Angels fans don’t have time to vote, they’re busy taking selfies.

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, nando714 said:

A lot of people? 

He made it be known that he was going to the highest bidder. Dodgers had an open check book. 

Yes after the season ended. 

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, nando714 said:

A lot of people? 

He made it be known that he was going to the highest bidder. Dodgers had an open check book. 

They gave Zack 147m with an opt out , we gave Hamilton 125m. 

Yep -- they had the money -- they spent it poorly.

[Taylor]

I'd rather have Simmons than Segura and Newcomb.

[Angel Oracle]

32 minutes ago, Dick B Back said:

Yep, Angels fans don’t have time to vote, they’re busy taking selfies.

And playing with beach balls

[Angel Oracle]

32 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Yep -- they had the money -- they spent it poorly.

And Arizona spent it even more poorly, 6 years/$204 million.

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, Scotty@AW said:

Honest question, you have Andrelton Simmons and Ozzie Smith in his prime on  the same team. Who plays SS?

 

Smith. Simmons plays 2nd base and not a single ground ball gets up the middle for a hit. 

[Inside Pitch]

12 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

And Arizona spent it even more poorly, 6 years/$204 million.

Man -- that contract looks ugly and I think the narrative is that he's pitched poorly but, Grienke's ERA+ with Zona is equal to his career ERA+ overall.   He's not fallen off from his career norms, in fact he's doing better than his career averages in H/9, K/9 and BB/9.... but he hasn't come close to that ridiculous final season in LA.

If anything Grienke may end up being the poster boy for a guy putting up a salary drive season and cashing in.   1.66 ERA, 0.844 WHIP..  Just nutty.

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

Smith. Simmons plays 2nd base and not a single ground ball gets up the middle for a hit. 

It's funny because for the life of me I can't remember Ozzie's arm at all. 

Maybe it was due to the stuff he did to even get to the ball, but every mental image I have of him involves his glove.  I'm fairly certain he had a cannon but his glovework was so amazing I genuinely have NO recollection of how his arm played.

[Angelsjunky]

He won’t finish at .330+ but he could be a legit .300 hitter now. How about .304/.367/.439 for the year.

[Angel Oracle]

7 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

It's funny because for the life of me I can't remember Ozzie's arm at all. 

Maybe it was due to the stuff he did to even get to the ball, but every mental image I have of him involves his glove.  I'm fairly certain he had a cannon but his glovework was so amazing I genuinely have NO recollection of how his arm played.

His arm was definitely a lot better than the overrated Jeets’ arm.

Those plays that Smith made in the hole, still produced plenty of arm.

Simmons has a cannon of an arm.  I would put Smith at 2B.

[hangin n wangin]

7 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Man -- that contract looks ugly and I think the narrative is that he's pitched poorly but, Grienke's ERA+ with Zona is equal to his career ERA+ overall.   He's not fallen off from his career norms, in fact he's doing better than his career averages in H/9, K/9 and BB/9.... but he hasn't come close to that ridiculous final season in LA.

If anything Grienke may end up being the poster boy for a guy putting up a salary drive season and cashing in.   1.66 ERA, 0.844 WHIP..  Just nutty.

Grienke looks like he's a border line hall of famer. He's at a 54.4 fWAR currently. Could push for 3,000 career strike outs if he finishes out his contract and stays healthy. 

I had no clue he was as close as he is TBH...

[Blarg]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

It's funny because for the life of me I can't remember Ozzie's arm at all. 

Maybe it was due to the stuff he did to even get to the ball, but every mental image I have of him involves his glove.  I'm fairly certain he had a cannon but his glovework was so amazing I genuinely have NO recollection of how his arm played.

Better than Aybar's. 

My best friend is a Padres fan and we'd hit up the Murph to watch a game. Smith could not hit, simply a skill beyond his abilities back then but what he could do defensively was simply a marvel.

And it wasn't just his gymnastics, he placed himself in position to make plays, just like Simmons does, and did have an excellent arm otherwise that glove would have been the balls resting place instead of recording outs. It just never clicked that a guy that can go deep in the hole and spin a throw to first was more than the first half of the play but when you think about it, without a plus arm all of those runners reach base safely. 

Smith and Simmons, without a plus arm, is just a guy shagging balls. 

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, hangin n wangin said:

Grienke looks like he's a border line hall of famer. He's at a 54.4 fWAR currently. Could push for 3,000 career strike outs if he finishes out his contract and stays healthy. 

I had no clue he was as close as he is TBH...

Yep, he's been better than people realize - even when he's been viewed as being less than stellar.  Dude just isn't really flashy..  

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

Better than Aybar's. 

My best friend is a Padres fan and we'd hit up the Murph to watch a game. Smith could not hit, simply a skill beyond his abilities back then but what he could do defensively was simply a marvel.

And it wasn't just his gymnastics, he placed himself in position to make plays, just like Simmons does, and did have an excellent arm otherwise that glove would have been the balls resting place instead of recording outs. It just never clicked that a guy that can go deep in the hole and spin a throw to first was more than the first half of the play but when you think about it, without a plus arm all of those runners reach base safely. 

Smith and Simmons, without a plus arm, is just a guy shagging balls. 

Yeah, I couldn't imagine him NOT having a cannon but the artistry with the glove was so ridiculous it has overshadowed everything I remember.   I remember watching games on WGN and TBS while on summer vacation as a kid and my brother and I both audibly saying WOW while watching him play defense.   

[EnglishCop]

4 hours ago, nando714 said:

Should of kept Segura then kept Newcomb. 

Thats probably an even trade at this point 

Should of paid attention in class.

[BackUpTheTruck]

4 hours ago, nando714 said:

Should of kept Segura then kept Newcomb. 

Thats probably an even trade at this point 

We could have had Segura and Simmons.

[Lou]

1 hour ago, BackUpTheTruck said:

We could have had Segura and Simmons.

If we had Segura we wouldn't have traded for Simmons. 

[Lou]

1 hour ago, EnglishCop said:

Should of paid attention in class.

southern cal fan 

[BackUpTheTruck]

11 minutes ago, Lou said:

If we had Segura we wouldn't have traded for Simmons. 

Probably not

[Lou]

I'm sure everyone would have been ecstatic about Segura's 2014 OPS+ of 70 and his 68 OPS+ in 2015 

 

 

[Tank]

3 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Back on topic, is any AL SS playing any better than Simmons, all around?

Machado and Lindor are hitting for more power, but no one has a higher WAR than Simmons.

i'm guessing the average voter doesn't give a flying fig about WAR.

simmons won't get voted in as a starter because not enough people east of the mississippi see him play with any kinid of regularity. if he was highlighted on espn more often, it would probably help.

[Second Base]

37 minutes ago, Lou said:

If we had Segura we wouldn't have traded for Simmons. 

The Angels felt Segura was better as a 2B than SS. 

[stormngt]

39 minutes ago, Lou said:

If we had Segura we wouldn't have traded for Simmons. 

Or we could have traded for Simmons, moved Segura to second and we wouldnt have the problem at second base for three straight years.