The Official 2017-2018 Hot Stove Thread

[Jeff Fletcher]

12 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

Okay but again, fans are supposed to believe a guy that hits like Pujols batting cleanup can be world series contenders?  Why have the Angels drafted so poorly?  Why haven't they replaced Glaus?  Why haven't they replaced Kendrick?  Why is 1st base a platoon?  Why don't they have any ace pitchers?  Why no lock down closer?  ETc etc etc etc 

I was merely addressing your point that the reason the Angels have failed is because Arte has decided not to buy the free agents to make them good. That's all I'm addressing. 

This is it, in a nutshell, and then I'm going to remove myself from this....

The reason the Angels have failed is that they have made many bad baseball decisions, including but not limited to bad decisions to sign free agents. Simply signing more free agents is not the solution. 

[ettin]

12 hours ago, arch stanton said:

Of course I want them to be a contender. But you’re using the failures of a high priced free agent as your justification to build with more high priced free agents then doubling down on the rant. Yes, I learned today that you belong on my ignore list along side brains of clay, clownzone, and the Anaheim Boob

All I know is this: @Angel Oracle should be getting naming royalty rights.

[Angel Oracle]

I could be a rich man!

[Blarg]

You completely failed on the Dipoto gloss so if you deduct your R&D you still are better off keeping your day job.

[Angel Oracle]

5 minutes ago, Blarg said:

You completely failed on the Dipoto gloss so if you deduct your R&D you still are better off keeping your day job.

Yep, Dipussy is better than Dipeutered.    Lesson learned.

[AngelStew43]

Maybe we should try again to find a player to man either 2B or 3B that is currently blocked by a star player on his ML roster.  For example, Rob Segedin in the Dodger org is blocked by Turner and Bellinger.  He would immediately go into the mix as a regular in both corners, 1B and 3B, on our club.

[Ohtaniland]

The GM meetings are this week. I think we’ll see some pretty aggressive trades in the next couple of weeks even before the winter meetings. Hopefully they’ll involve the Angels. 

[beatlesrule]

Stanton talks with Red Sox are heating up.

[Ohtaniland]

4 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Stanton talks with Red Sox are heating up.

If the Red Sox get Stanton you can bet the Yankees will get busy. 

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

On 11/9/2017 at 2:25 PM, ten ocho recon scout said:

Still have a bad feeling stanton ends up a dodger.

With their 10 other outfielders.....

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

On 11/9/2017 at 9:17 PM, Jeff Fletcher said:

You missed the point. 

The point is when you spend lots of money on free agents, you get guys past their prime making a lot of money. 

Others may not be as extreme as Pujols, but do you want a bunch of 33 year olds making $19M?

Thats what happens if you expect to build a team by buying free agents. 

Question Jeff: As I was just wondering if you had any insight into the Fox Sports West 3B Contract... Not a response to your reply!....

 

Where is the Fox $$$$ ???.. The Angels have reached a new 20-year deal with Fox Sports worth roughly $3 billion, per Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. That windfall of $150 million per year is not only the largest in the division....

https://losangeles.sbnation.com/los-angeles-angels/2011/12/8/2622757/los-angeles-angels-tv-deal-3-billion-20-years-albert-pujols-c-j-wilson-arte-moreno

There was a part of the conversation during the negotiations I've been told.  That Fox was told that money would be put towards key acquisitions for the roster. To grow the reach of the Angels brand for fans outside the normal area of broadcasting.. And then to grow the package sales for the Fox Sports West package out of the area.. Or, has Arte' basically used that money to pay for the majority of the Payroll example from below from the 2017 season...... Fox $150M - Total Adjusted payroll of -176M = An additional 26M out of Arte's pocket for payroll only?... 

2017 Cap Totals

CAP TYPE			BASE SALARY	SIGNING BONUS	INCENTIVES	TOTAL SALARY	TOTAL ADJ. SALARY
Active Payroll			$150,027,500	$833,333	$800,000	$151,660,833	$109,185,825
Disabled List Money			$22,499,500	-	-	$22,499,500	$16,095,730
Retained Salary			$40,248,286	$10,176,000	-	$50,424,286	$50,424,286
Buried Minor Salary			$3,210,000	-	-	$3,210,000	$631,368
Total Payroll			$215,985,286	$11,009,333	$800,000	$227,794,619	$176,337,209

 

Luxury Cap Threshold:

 

2016 $189,000,000 -- Just to show the previous season

2017 $195,000,000 ----- 19M under the Cap.

2018 $197,000,000

2019 $206,000,000

2020 $208,000,000

2021 $210,000,000

[Jeff Fletcher]

Clearly this is all cut and pasted from somewhere else. I don't quite understand where all those numbers come from. 

It says the Angels were $19M under the cap in 2017?

I'm very confused. 

I will also add that teams spend a lot of money beyond their major league payroll.

[ten ocho recon scout]

4 hours ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

With their 10 other outfielders.....

Yeah, i know. Just one of those things i think makes too much sense. Bonafide superstar, local guy, etc etc. They have the money and prospects. And hes the right age to slot in with their youth movement.

[ten ocho recon scout]

2 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

 

I will also add that teams spend a lot of money beyond their major league payroll.

Yep. A good chunk of it we as fans dont even think about. Certain teams are alluring to players for how well theyre pampered in the clubhouse, hotels, food, etc.

[Troll Daddy]

Finley Park will be like playing in a little league park for Stanton

[tomsred]

5 hours ago, Troll Daddy said:

Finley Park will be like playing in a little league park for Stanton

Oh don't worry, he will probably hit one off the wall so hard it will rebound and hit him in the head, and he will go on a long DL stint.

[tdawg87]

5 hours ago, Troll Daddy said:

Finley Park will be like playing in a little league park for Stanton

Didn't know Steve had his own park. Good for him. 

[tomsred]

9 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Didn't know Steve had his own park. Good for him. 

Wait, something's not right here.  He got a baseball park, and we got his free tee shirts?

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

On 11/11/2017 at 12:15 PM, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Question Jeff: As I was just wondering if you had any insight into the Fox Sports West 3B Contract... Not a response to your reply!....

 

Where is the Fox $$$$ ???.. The Angels have reached a new 20-year deal with Fox Sports worth roughly $3 billion, per Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. That windfall of $150 million per year is not only the largest in the division....

https://losangeles.sbnation.com/los-angeles-angels/2011/12/8/2622757/los-angeles-angels-tv-deal-3-billion-20-years-albert-pujols-c-j-wilson-arte-moreno

There was a part of the conversation during the negotiations I've been told.  That Fox was told that money would be put towards key acquisitions for the roster. To grow the reach of the Angels brand for fans outside the normal area of broadcasting.. And then to grow the package sales for the Fox Sports West package out of the area.. Or, has Arte' basically used that money to pay for the majority of the Payroll example from below from the 2017 season...... Fox $150M - Total Adjusted payroll of -176M = An additional 26M out of Arte's pocket for payroll only?... 

2017 Cap Totals

CAP TYPE			BASE SALARY	SIGNING BONUS	INCENTIVES	TOTAL SALARY	TOTAL ADJ. SALARY
Active Payroll			$150,027,500	$833,333	$800,000	$151,660,833	$109,185,825
Disabled List Money			$22,499,500	-	-	$22,499,500	$16,095,730
Retained Salary			$40,248,286	$10,176,000	-	$50,424,286	$50,424,286
Buried Minor Salary			$3,210,000	-	-	$3,210,000	$631,368
Total Payroll			$215,985,286	$11,009,333	$800,000	$227,794,619	$176,337,209

 

Luxury Cap Threshold:

 

2016 $189,000,000 -- Just to show the previous season

2017 $195,000,000 ----- 19M under the Cap.

2018 $197,000,000

2019 $206,000,000

2020 $208,000,000

2021 $210,000,000

 

On 11/11/2017 at 1:23 PM, Jeff Fletcher said:

Clearly this is all cut and pasted from somewhere else. I don't quite understand where all those numbers come from. 

It says the Angels were $19M under the cap in 2017?

I'm very confused. 

I will also add that teams spend a lot of money beyond their major league payroll.

Obviously, to your reply. But, the Major League Payroll is the only one attached to the Luxury Tax.  ---- The Final 2017 Adjusted PAYROLL vs Luxury Cap was -19M under the Luxury Tax threshold for 2017.

 

My Question, Where is the annual payout of 150M from Fox Sports Going?... As I was advised it was to be used to continue to bring in players to Grow the Halos brand in outside markets and the Fox Sports West package sales in outside markets.

[Troll Daddy]

21 hours ago, Troll Daddy said:

Finley Park will be like playing in a little league park for Stanton

Oops I goofed 

 

[stormngt]

46 minutes ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

 

Obviously, to your reply. But, the Major League Payroll is the only one attached to the Luxury Tax.  ---- The Final 2017 Adjusted PAYROLL vs Luxury Cap was -19M under the Luxury Tax threshold for 2017.

 

My Question, Where is the annual payout of 150M from Fox Sports Going?... As I was advised it was to be used to continue to bring in players to Grow the Halos brand in outside markets and the Fox Sports West package sales in outside markets.

Didn't know you were entitled to that information.   Work for the government?

[ten ocho recon scout]

1 hour ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

 

Obviously, to your reply. But, the Major League Payroll is the only one attached to the Luxury Tax.  ---- The Final 2017 Adjusted PAYROLL vs Luxury Cap was -19M under the Luxury Tax threshold for 2017.

 

My Question, Where is the annual payout of 150M from Fox Sports Going?... As I was advised it was to be used to continue to bring in players to Grow the Halos brand in outside markets and the Fox Sports West package sales in outside markets.

As much as i support the reasoning bebind moreno not spending too much, and being smart about money, it is frustrating that we seemingly arent spending in relationship to the media deal.

I know we have one of the higher payrolls in the game. But it seems like (without looking at it in depth) that the 30 mill or so were spending on top of the 150 it pays us is less than we were spending before that deal was inked.

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 hour ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

As much as i support the reasoning bebind moreno not spending too much, and being smart about money, it is frustrating that we seemingly arent spending in relationship to the media deal.

I know we have one of the higher payrolls in the game. But it seems like (without looking at it in depth) that the 30 mill or so were spending on top of the 150 it pays us is less than we were spending before that deal was inked.

Their payrolls from 2006-10 were about $100-120M. Now their payroll is about $170-180M each year. So that's a lot of it. Also, the costs of everything else (staffing, a farm system, scouting, technology, travel) also go up, and that no doubt also eats into a lot of the TV money. 

I can't say what the cash-flow, year-to-year profit margin is of owning a baseball team, but my impression is it's not that much. The investment value of owning a team is that you someday sell it for a lot more. 

In the meantime, if Arte is taking a little more of a profit margin now than he was before the TV deal, that's his right. It's his money. And it's not like spending a little more (or even a lot more) guarantees anything anyway.  Once you get to a certain threshold where you are "in the game," so to speak, then it comes down to decision-making more than just throwing extra dollars at it.

As I said earlier, the Angels recent failures to get to the playoffs aren't because they don't spend enough money. They are because the decisions they've made haven't worked. 

[beatlesrule]

Precisely Jeff. He owns the team. He can do whatever he wants within the rules of owning said team. If he wants to make 1 million or two million or three million a year or whatever the heck it is, he can and will do it.  If he wanted to spend and go above the luxury tax, he would. We as fans can merely hope we get lucky enough to win the division let alone a World Series.

[gurn67]

6 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

Precisely Jeff. He owns the team. He can do whatever he wants within the rules of owning said team. If he wants to make 1 million or two million or three million a year or whatever the heck it is, he can and will do it.  If he wanted to spend and go above the luxury tax, he would. We as fans can merely hope we get lucky enough to win the division let alone a World Series.

1 or 2 or 3 million a year??? He purchased the team for 140 million 14 years ago. Forbes has the current value at 1.75 billion today! That's over 1.6 billion dollars he's made in 14 years!!! I'm sorry, but losing a few million dollars to the luxury tax shouldn't mean crap to him. However, considering the way he's spent the absolute minimum he could on general managers, I guess it does.