More Thoughts & Prayers

[Jason]

46 minutes ago, Tank said:

the big conflict in all of this is how to reduce the staggering amount of gun violence while still protecting the right to own guns. i don't have a solution for this. doesn't look like congress does either.

Look where the violence occurs. Most of it is in the inner cities. That is a result of their socioeconomic status. I don’t hear politicians arguing on ways to deal with those problems. The gun laws we do have are not enforced. Lock up the assholes that are committing gun crimes. Google “Project Exile”. It made a huge impact on the area’s gun crime. I stated this in my post above but fix the NICS system and the way things are reported. Those are some things that could help

[Jason]

https://eastcountytoday.net/chp-1078-dui-arrests-45-killed-over-labor-day-weekend/

Yikes!

[Jason]

34 minutes ago, nate said:

 

You craiged me. I posted about this a page back. Also people will still sell person to person because the government will never know. If it makes you feel better go ahead and make another law

[Jason]

48 minutes ago, Tank said:

they should also put a halt to this way of selling guns.

Marijuana is mostly legal and people still sell that shit to each other illegally. Like I said, if it makes people feel better, whatever

[Tank]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Marijuana is mostly legal and people still sell that shit to each other illegally. Like I said, if it makes people feel better, whatever

they talk about closing the gun show loophole, but still no action has been taken. I'm probably going to sound like an old white guy now, but let's make this type of sale illegal and then prosecute those who violate when it happens like with the El Paso shooter. lock that SOB up for second degree murder for each victim. treat it like the guy who drives the get-away car for bank robbers.

part of the problem is that our ideological dream of having stiff prison sentences for certain crimes as a deterrent isn't really deterring anybody. is there a way to fix that to the desired effect?

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Tank said:

they talk about closing the gun show loophole, but still no action has been taken. I'm probably going to sound like an old white guy now, but let's make this type of sale illegal and then prosecute those who violate when it happens like with the El Paso shooter. lock that SOB up for second degree murder for each victim. treat it like the guy who drives the get-away car for bank robbers.

part of the problem is that our ideological dream of having stiff prison sentences for certain crimes as a deterrent isn't really deterring anybody. is there a way to fix that to the desired effect?

The “gun show loophole” is the person to person private sale. I’m perfectly fine with making it a felony to sell to a prohibited person. There will always be a black market for guns. Where do you think gang members get them? I don’t think outlawing private sales without background checks is going to make that much of a difference though. 

[Adam]

Just because more than half the country is fucking retarded and thinks divorce is no biggie, kids are more trouble than they’re worth and that screens can raise their kids doesn’t mean good people shouldn’t be able to do whatever the hell they want 

[Lhalo]

How do you track a person to person cash sale of a rifle?

[Blarg]

You can't.

[Lou]

23 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

How do you track a person to person cash sale of a rifle?

Follow the dead bodies

[Tank]

54 minutes ago, Jason said:

The “gun show loophole” is the person to person private sale. I’m perfectly fine with making it a felony to sell to a prohibited person. There will always be a black market for guns. Where do you think gang members get them? I don’t think outlawing private sales without background checks is going to make that much of a difference though. 

agree that this would be a huge thing for some agency to oversee and that it would likely would be too big to run smoothly. I also imagine a lot of people would try to bypass or ignore this new requirement, too.

but I'd still rather have something on the books that makes this type of sale illegal so that anyone guilty of selling to a guy who uses the weapon to commit a mass shooting can also be held accountable legally. that's probably not going to be a very popular opinion here, and I get that.

[Adam]

1 hour ago, Lou said:

Follow the dead bodies

You can limit your monitoring to white people with wrangler jeans and some sort of shirt with an eagle on it

[Lou]

11 minutes ago, Adam said:

You can limit your monitoring to white people with wrangler jeans and some sort of shirt with an eagle on it

Great, that eliminates 2,7% of the white population

[Jason]

6 hours ago, Tank said:

agree that this would be a huge thing for some agency to oversee and that it would likely would be too big to run smoothly. I also imagine a lot of people would try to bypass or ignore this new requirement, too.

but I'd still rather have something on the books that makes this type of sale illegal so that anyone guilty of selling to a guy who uses the weapon to commit a mass shooting can also be held accountable legally. that's probably not going to be a very popular opinion here, and I get that.

I think the problem with any new gun law is that the ones we have aren’t enforced. Here in California we have enhancements for crimes committed with a gun or even if you do so as a gang member. The charges rarely stick as most will take some BS plea. Maybe they should lock up the people that are committing the crimes and violence 

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Lhalo said:

How do you track a person to person cash sale of a rifle?

You can't. It's very difficult to trace.  However, if it's made illegal then police can crack down on the sellers. Fewer black market sellers, fewer black market guns to buy.  This would significantly hinder someone that can't pass a background check from getting a gun.

[arch stanton]

So out of curiosity, what percentage of gun owners have committed crimes with those legally purchased guns and when weeding through all these millions of background checks how do we identify the less than 1% that represent a legitimate threat to public safety that would warrant getting rejected? And if they aren't fit to own a gun then what about all countless other things that could be used to do harm? 

[Spirit]

14 hours ago, Jason said:

https://eastcountytoday.net/chp-1078-dui-arrests-45-killed-over-labor-day-weekend/

Yikes!

 

The families of these 45 people can take comfort knowing they weren't killed by an AK.

 

 

[Jason]

2 hours ago, arch stanton said:

So out of curiosity, what percentage of gun owners have committed crimes with those legally purchased guns and when weeding through all these millions of background checks how do we identify the less than 1% that represent a legitimate threat to public safety that would warrant getting rejected? And if they aren't fit to own a gun then what about all countless other things that could be used to do harm? 

 

[Jason]

I wonder if the UK views Cutco Knife Co like the libs here view ARs

[Jason]

2 hours ago, arch stanton said:

So out of curiosity, what percentage of gun owners have committed crimes with those legally purchased guns and when weeding through all these millions of background checks how do we identify the less than 1% that represent a legitimate threat to public safety that would warrant getting rejected? And if they aren't fit to own a gun then what about all countless other things that could be used to do harm? 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/expanded-homicide

https://www.thetrace.org/2018/09/how-many-assault-weapons-in-the-us/

Since the entire focus is on "assault rifles" we'll go with 10,000,000 of them being owned in the US. The FBI reported 403 murders were committed with rifles and there was 15,129 total murders. I guess we will say all 403 were done with ARs or AKs. That's .02 percent of total homicides committed in the US. 51.9% of victims were black and 54.2% of murderers were black. This tells me that our gun violence issues are an inner city problem. We should start our focus there if we want to lower these numbers. 

[Jason]

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

Also, murder is still lower than it was in the late 80's and early 90's 

[Blarg]

Millennials are slakers. Why back in my day you just drove by slaughtering innocents with Uzis, not any of these damned fancy pants assault rifles. No good kids these days. 

[Taylor]

Random question: does anyone know someone who owns an AR-15 or similar weapon, and is a normal, well-adjusted individual?

[Jason]

6 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Random question: does anyone know someone who owns an AR-15 or similar weapon, and is a normal, well-adjusted individual?

I know myself pretty well. 

[Jason]

I like to think of myself as a good dude