Props 47 & 57 and Gov Brown

[fan_since79]

Prosecutors asked the judge for a four-year sentence on the auto theft conviction in 2014, but the judge gave him only two. If anyone is to blame, it's him. They argued that he was a hardcore gang member who was previously convicted of armed robbery, and deserved the maximum time. The judge didn't see it that way.

I believe the probation violations, of which there were several since 2016, could have gotten him another year in prison, but with the realignment they kick these back to the county, and there's no more room in the jails. It's seriously messed up, and unless we build more jails and prisons it's not likely to improve any time soon.

 

 

 

[Jason]

9 hours ago, Lou said:

I hate to break it to you, but that usually is the case for probation violations (depending on the severity of the violation, of course)

Most violations are for things like not reporting when you're supposed to, not attending court-ordered classes, being somewhere you're not supposed to be, not paying your fine, not securing employment, not living where you listed on your court release papers ( or not reporting that you changed address), etc. 

What usually happens is when a person gets in front of the judge, he makes some bs excuse and the judge tells him not to do that anymore and releases him. 

It's important to remember there's a big difference between a probation violation and violating parole. 

I work in Probation and am totally familiar with the process :). I work with juveniles and it's a bit different on their end

[Jason]

1 hour ago, fan_since79 said:

Prosecutors asked the judge for a four-year sentence on the auto theft conviction in 2014, but the judge gave him only two. If anyone is to blame, it's him. They argued that he was a hardcore gang member who was previously convicted of armed robbery, and deserved the maximum time. The judge didn't see it that way.

I believe the probation violations, of which there were several since 2016, could have gotten him another year in prison, but with the realignment they kick these back to the county, and there's no more room in the jails. It's seriously messed up, and unless we build more jails and prisons it's not likely to improve any time soon.

 

 

 

Correct

[Ordos]

Quick question, to play devil's advocate... you say blame the judge, be he didn't pull the trigger. Is this not giving a pass, of sorts, to the shooter? It sounds awfully similar to those on the left assigning blame to gun manufacturers, rather than the criminals that commit the crime.

[Blarg]

Well,  Ordos,  you do have a point. Even if this walking excrement had been given  an entire four year sentence he may still have killed his cousin for his car then got into a shootout with cops,  just two years later than today. 

[Jason]

11 minutes ago, Ordos said:

Quick question, to play devil's advocate... you say blame the judge, be he didn't pull the trigger. Is this not giving a pass, of sorts, to the shooter? It sounds awfully similar to those on the left assigning blame to gun manufacturers, rather than the criminals that commit the crime.

Bottom line is the dude is a piece of shit and our system here isn't working 

[Ordos]

Agree on that part.

[Jason]

Accusing the judges or Jerry Brown of having blood on their hands is a bit much. That dude would have killed someone regardless of when he got out of custody. I do, partially, blame Brown for the mess our CJ system is in. 

[Tank]

45 minutes ago, Ordos said:

Quick question, to play devil's advocate... you say blame the judge, be he didn't pull the trigger. Is this not giving a pass, of sorts, to the shooter? It sounds awfully similar to those on the left assigning blame to gun manufacturers, rather than the criminals that commit the crime.

first and foremost, this jerk is responsible for his own actions. but you can also see failures in the system and from the judge in letting this guy out when they did. the system needs some tweaking.

[Thomas]

12 minutes ago, Tank said:

first and foremost, this jerk is responsible for his own actions. but you can also see failures in the system and from the judge in letting this guy out when they did. the system needs some tweaking.

There are plenty of tweakers in the criminal justice system.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, Thomas said:

There are plenty of tweakers in the criminal justice system.

Leave the attorneys out of this

[Jason]

7 hours ago, calscuf said:

Do you even know what a tweaker is?

Yes. I live in San Bernardino county so I am familiar. Sorry it was a poor attempt at humor

[Lou]

15 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yes. I live in San Bernardino county so I am familiar. Sorry it was a poor attempt at humor

that means you're either east of the 15 or in the high desert 

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, Lou said:

that means you're either east of the 15 or in the high desert 

 

High Desert

[Chuck]

Jerry Brown Just Officially Became The Worst Governor In The United States!

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=64849

[mtangelsfan]

The middle-class always gets screwed.  

The party doesn't matter.

[gotbeer]

36 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Jerry Brown Just Officially Became The Worst Governor In The United States!

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=64849

This state really does deserve him. 

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

Jerry Brown Just Officially Became The Worst Governor In The United States!

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=64849

I'm not sure how accurate this is but it would not be surprising to find out that it's 100% true

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

In 1994 when CA voters passed prop 187 (later deemed unconstitutional by a federal court) it was estimated then that there were 1.3M illegal immigrants in the state costing taxpayers about 3B a year.  The most recent estimate of those numbers are now 2.9M illegal immigrants costing taxpayers over 25B a year.  The state and some cities thumbed their noses when the feds wanted to crack down on sanctuary cities but had no problems asking for fed help when the Oroville dam led to evacuation orders.  Nothing would surprise me at this point when it comes to how this state operates.  

[Tank]

awesome, more money for people who break our laws.

[Lou]

On February 24, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

In 1994 when CA voters passed prop 187 (later deemed unconstitutional by a federal court) it was estimated then that there were 1.3M illegal immigrants in the state costing taxpayers about 3B a year.  

holy crap, that was more than 20 years ago? 

[Lou]

Meanwhile . . .

Florida man arrested for sex with pit bull

 

TEXAS DEPUTY HAD SEX WITH DOG, POSSESSED CHILD PORN

 

 

  

 

EPIDEMIC: Two Women Arrested This Month For DOING IT WITH DOGS

 

 

 

Hey, at least they're having kids.  Your kin are having puppies. 

[Ordos]

On 2/24/2017 at 10:12 AM, Chuckster70 said:

Jerry Brown Just Officially Became The Worst Governor In The United States!

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=64849

 

Meanwhile, the second half of the ludicrousness...

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Cohen-Sandler said she had counted on a middle-class scholarship for Rose’s education. But even with that $3,000 scholarship, $4,000 from their college savings plan, $5,500 in loans and the $5,000 they believe they can spare from their paychecks, she said, the family still would be short nearly half the money needed for a year at UC.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-middle-class-students-adv2016-story,amp.html

Higher education costs are absolutely insane.

[Blarg]

10 hours ago, calscuf said:

And what's nuts is that it passed in every county south of the Bay Area.

And what's nuttier is that thousands of Mexican girls born that year are now grandmothers.  How time flies...

You almost got it right with the racial stereotyping but you see, 20 years is a reasonable time gap for a generation to pass from mother to grandmother. Now had you said great grandmother, then you would have nailed it. You need to work on your shtick. 

[Lou]

6 hours ago, Ordos said:

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Cohen-Sandler said she had counted on a middle-class scholarship for Rose’s education. But even with that $3,000 scholarship, $4,000 from their college savings plan, $5,500 in loans and the $5,000 they believe they can spare from their paychecks, she said, the family still would be short nearly half the money needed for a year at UC.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-middle-class-students-adv2016-story,amp.html

Higher education costs are absolutely insane.

They certainly are. However, tuition and fees at a UC school isn't $34,000/yr

Edited February 26, 2017 by Lou