Angels trade for Andrelton Simmons - Aybar, Newcomb, Ellis & $2.5mm to Braves $*#&

[Stradling]

are we set at SS for the next 5 years.. sure... how does that help with 3B, LF, or C and how will we acquire any of that giving up 2 of our best young arms ?

I would guess free agency.

[Brent Maguire]

Wow, some of these comments are over the top. The guy is the premier defensive player in baseball and has been worth 2-4.5 WAR in each of his 1st 4 big league seasons. He's not marginal and even if he's a defensive specialist, he's been a damn valuable player even without hitting. If he hits near his 2013 level(.248/.296/.396), he's a 4 WAR player on a nice contract. 

 

FWIW, I'm split on the trade because I really hate losing Newcomb and Ellis but we aren't getting a marginal player back. 

[fan_since79]

If it had just been Aybar, Ellis, and another prospect-not-named-Newcomb, I would have been OK with this.

 

As it is, we got taken in a big way.

[totdprods]

are we set at SS for the next 5 years.. sure... how does that help with 3B, LF, or C and how will we acquire any of that giving up 2 of our best young arms ?[/quote

I think they will stick with Perez at C. He hit too well in second half, drew rave reviews on his work with the pitchers, great defender.

Bringing in Molina may have been an indicator that they are going to emphasize relying internally on developing the current three C's in Bandy, Perez, and Ward.

LF they will HAVE to fill via FA. 3B? Not sure.

[Redondo]

Looks like we gave up too much in this trade and put in money to boot.

 

Braves should have added one of their top hitting prospects if we gave up Newcombe

 

Like having an elite SS on defense. Simmons, 26, hit .265 with four homers and 44 RBIs in 535 at-bats in 2015.

[Oz27]

There was a guy named Kerry Packer, who was an Australian businessman that died a few years ago. In the 1980s he sold a television network called Channel Nine for a tick over $1 billion to a guy named Alan Bond. The only problem was Bond couldn't read a balance sheet and didn't realize what he'd actually got himself into.Three years later Bond's business empire collapsed and Packer came back and bought Nine back for $250 million, a quarter of the price 36 months earlier. As Packer later said, "you only get one Alan Bond in your lifetime and I got mine".

 

Well, Atlanta, you just got your Alan Bond. You absolutely fleeced us. I never could have dreamed somebody employed as a major league general manager could make such a terrible trade but Billy Eppler stepped up to the plate and delivered. I hated the Vernon Wells trade from the second I found out about it but I think this will be even worse. We just gutted our farm system for a marginal upgrade at a position which wasn't a problem, acquiring backloaded contract and not fixing even one of our many glaring holes. This is embarrassing and a dreadful mistake. Eppler will be laughed at for many years to come while Atlanta enjoys Newcomb and Ellis and we're stuck with a shortstop, regardless of how good he is defensively, who has no power and isn't that good at getting on base.

 

Bravo, Billy Eppler. Maybe this won't go down as the worst Angels transaction of the Moreno era but you've certainly given it a damn good crack.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Oz27

[papawealey]

Trading away the farm eh? Not a big fan of trading away prospect arms to fill a hole that wasn't there.

[moccasin]

The Angels probably lost the trade, and it will hurt if we ever see Newcomb become one of the best pitchers in baseball soon.

But as of now, the excitement of having Simmons at SS is a little bit bigger for me.

Can't wait.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

Off to Dinner and a Beer!

 

 

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[Biergott]

Buster Olney is a ****ing idiot...

 

Now if Kieth Law liked the trade...

I'm reserving judgement until I hear Rogilio weigh in

[JarsOfClay]

I'm very grateful that aybar is gone, it shows competence on eppler's part that the dumbest person on the planet has no business being on your team.  it does require brains to play this game.  but it showed incompetence to include newcombe and ellis.  you never ever trade top pitching prospects that are going to be good and very cheap.  that's a recipe for disaster.

 

if dipoto would have traded aybar last year like he should have this probably would have never happened.  i blame dipoto.

[Stradling]

The marginal upgrade is about 30 runs saved over the course of a year. Aybar had lost a step or two defensively. Guys, it is ok to say we overpaid, but to devlaue what Simmons does on the field to exagerate how bad the trade is wrong. I view it like this:

We overpaid, potentially big time, for the very best defensive player in baseball that provides about the same offense as our last short stop, or at least he did last year.

[fan_since79]

If Eppler is so concerned about infield defense, maybe he should just let Freese go and put Featherston there at 3rd base.

[Ray McKigney]

There is a guy named Kerry Packer

 

His brothers name is Fudge.

[ScottT]

I'm reserving judgement until I hear Rogilio weigh in

 

I was pissed about the trade at first.... because it made me tune in to that steaming pile of a radio show on AM830.  

[DMVol]

If Eppler is so concerned about infield defense, maybe he should just let Freese go and put Featherston there at 3rd base.

Check...sign Mathis and bring McDonald out of retirement for 2b and we're good....

[ScottT]

If Eppler is so concerned about infield defense, maybe he should just let Freese go and put Featherston there at 3rd base.

 

That's very comparable. Well done.

[Turd Ferguson]

I can't remember a trade that was so universally despised by both fan bases. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

Basically, this is the kind of trade a team with a deep farm system makes, and its the right move.

Us doing it was stupid

[JarsOfClay]

i wonder if this trade was more along the lines of scioscia giving the finger to dipoto. newcomb was diptoto's prized drafty afterall.

Edited November 13, 2015 by JarsOfClay

[Oz27]

The marginal upgrade is about 30 runs saved over the course of a year. Aybar had lost a step or two defensively. Guys, it is ok to say we overpaid, but to devlaue what Simmons does on the field to exagerate how bad the trade is wrong. I view it like this:

We overpaid, potentially big time, for the very best defensive player in baseball that provides about the same offense as our last short stop, or at least he did last year.

Aybar has put up 6.2 WAR over the past two years, Simmons is 7.3. It's not like we just dumped Jeff Mathis and a couple of prospects for Mike Piazza, Simmons really isn't that much better than Aybar.

[WallyWorld]

sad about giving up Newcomb and Ellis BUT in the last 2 years we've finally shed Kendrick and Aybar, two of the lowest IQ players I've ever seen. That's progress.

[Thomas]

Good God the Braves were trying to get Harvey or deGrom for him?

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/66308/braves-take-on-the-risk-as-they-deal-andrelton-simmons-to-angels

[Stradling]

i wonder if this trade was more along the lines of scioscia giving the finger to dipoto. newcomb was diptoto's prized drafty afterall.

If that was the case then Scioscia would have traded Newcomb to help down the stretch.

[loriasucks1]

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