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13 minutes ago, St1ck said:

It isn't limiting spending. It's basically going shopping with your credit card and throwing the bill in the trash when it comes. 

You’re very gullible. This isn’t about paying our past  debts. This is about how we’re going to spend and create more debt. Now reps do the same shit. They couldn’t pass a budget with total control and now the dems are struggling to do the same. 

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7 minutes ago, Kotchman said:

You’re very gullible. This isn’t about paying our past  debts. This is about how we’re going to spend and create more debt. Now reps do the same shit. They couldn’t pass a budget with total control and now the dems are struggling to do the same. 

Incorrect.

Debt Limit | U.S. Department of the Treasury
https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-markets-financial-institutions-and-fiscal-service/debt-limit

The debt limit does not authorize new spending commitments. It simply allows the government to finance existing legal obligations that Congresses and presidents of both parties have made in the past.

 

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36 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

Because it's time for his team to have the ball in the horseshit game they play

Like it matters.

Every single one of those mother fuckers in Congress are useless sacks of excrement. Both sides will jerk their stupid bases off with this stuff for a couple weeks, then the government will eventually get funded, the debt ceiling will get raised and default won't happen. They'll point fingers at each other and call each other despicable, and this'll go on for God knows how long until disaster strikes.

 

Who really gives a shit?

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2 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Like it matters.

Every single one of those mother fuckers in Congress are useless sacks of excrement. Both sides will jerk their stupid bases off with this stuff for a couple weeks, then the government will eventually get funded, the debt ceiling will get raised and default won't happen. They'll point fingers at each other and call each other despicable, and this'll go on for God knows how long until disaster strikes.

 

Who really gives a shit?

 

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1 minute ago, St1ck said:

Incorrect.

Debt Limit | U.S. Department of the Treasury
https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-markets-financial-institutions-and-fiscal-service/debt-limit

The debt limit does not authorize new spending commitments. It simply allows the government to finance existing legal obligations that Congresses and presidents of both parties have made in the past.

 

There is a thing called leverage. While it would be better if the debt ceiling was truly viewed independently by politicians the reality is it’s not. Politicians use every tool in the bag to gain payoffs for their donors and constituents. Just take the budget for example. There is no reason to every have a major shutdown. Each line item can be approved individually so ultimately there isn’t a disagreement on a lot of basic issues. Politicians limp it all together hoping to inflict enough pain on the American people they will apply pressure on their side to concede. 

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1 minute ago, Kotchman said:

There is a thing called leverage. While it would be better if the debt ceiling was truly viewed independently by politicians the reality is it’s not. Politicians use every tool in the bag to gain payoffs for their donors and constituents. Just take the budget for example. There is no reason to every have a major shutdown. Each line item can be approved individually so ultimately there isn’t a disagreement on a lot of basic issues. Politicians limp it all together hoping to inflict enough pain on the American people they will apply pressure on their side to concede. 

That's quite a word scramble when you could have just said you were wrong. 

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5 minutes ago, St1ck said:

Your incorrect statements make you wrong. Changing the narrative after doesn't correct that. 

The dems can pass everything through reconciliation just like they did with Obamacare. Why haven’t they done so? Who is holding out based on their disagreement over money already spent ? The fight is over future borrowing which is directly linked to future spending. Yes they require separate votes but these votes aren’t in a vacuum. The reps are holding out to politically try and pin the massive spending on the dems. The dems don’t have the 50 votes for reconciliation because holdouts are seeking to fund their pet projects. 

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8 minutes ago, Kotchman said:

The dems can pass everything through reconciliation just like they did with Obamacare. Why haven’t they done so? Who is holding out based on their disagreement over money already spent ? The fight is over future borrowing which is directly linked to future spending. Yes they require separate votes but these votes aren’t in a vacuum. The reps are holding out to politically try and pin the massive spending on the dems. The dems don’t have the 50 votes for reconciliation because holdouts are seeking to fund their pet projects. 

This is correct. Not because they disagree with the spending and didn't contribute to it. It's so they can go on Fox News with a talking point to help with mid term votes. Nothing more. 

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1 minute ago, St1ck said:

This is correct. Not because they disagree with the spending and didn't contribute to it. It's so they can go on Fox News with a talking point to help with mid term votes. Nothing more. 

I don’t disagree. The reps can’t stop it so it’s all posturing on their part. It’s also posturing by the dems to suggest reps are blocking anything. Dems  have the numbers and procedures to do whatever they want. 

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