Who's after Scioscia?

[Jay]

Agree that the team seemed unprepared at the beginning of the season, and that is something that should definitely be addressed.  However I still don't see how firing Scioscia at this point does anything to improve the pitchers' performance or team chemistry.

[Vladfan]

I doubt he will be fired this season.

 

Dipito has put together a terrible pitching staff. 

[dimitrig]

I doubt he will be fired this season.

 

Dipito has put together a terrible pitching staff. 

 

 

A bad staff which is still underperforming relative to last year's performances.

[Inside Pitch]

After the collegiate season is over , they should hire Erstad.

 

That 13-16 record the Huskers were sporting may be an improvement over what we are seeing but still sucks.

 

I can see an Erstad run MLB team now -- they will peak in May, be hurt by June and be out of contention by July but at least their uniforms will be dirty and they will look like they are trying really hard as they run to first base as they hit a weak roller to 2B.

 

Erstad, unless he's actually grown a brain would be slightly less blowhard Terry Collins with MLB service time.   

[Inside Pitch]

I doubt he will be fired this season.

 

 

I don't.   I don't know if Scioscia can really lead a team filled with a lot of FAs..   He's not a cuddly type and a lot of those sorts need someone to come in, kiss their ass, and tell them they will be okay..  None of which Scioscia has ever shown himself really adept at doing.

 

People always bagged on Torre, but the one thing he did well was soothe those egos.

[Lifetime]

Ya I don't buy that IP

[Inside Pitch]

Ya I don't buy that IP

 

Not being snarky ..   Dont buy what?   My take on Erstad or whether or not Scioscia is a good guy for a team full of FA types?   Not sure the current batch of FA's are really the Scioscia type of FAs.   He's done well with the nose to the grindstone humble sorts like Vlad but I think this batch is more prima-donnaish

 

Don't mean play style, I mean personality.

[Jay]

Funny how it used to be conventional wisdom that "the best move Stoneman ever made was hiring Scioscia"

[shellback]

some of scioscia's in game moves over the last few years make me think he wants to get fired.

[Troll Daddy]

If Scioscia were actually fired... nobody respectable would want his job right now. This isn't the Lakers guys.

[Ray McKigney]

Maybe the Angels can hire Phil Jackson.

[Amazing Larry]

Right. Who would want to manage a professional baseball team in Southern California for lots of cash? You'd have to be crazy.

/sarc

[Inside Pitch]

If Scioscia were actually fired... nobody respectable would want his job right now. This isn't the Lakers guys.

 

I don't think anything is imminent.  Dipoto is likely banking on players reverting to their mean.  Fans are acting up cause fans are fans..  But,  I'd assume Dipoto and company are likely waiting this out for a bit.

[WallyWorld]

Agree that the team seemed unprepared at the beginning of the season, and that is something that should definitely be addressed.  However I still don't see how firing Scioscia at this point does anything to improve the pitchers' performance or team chemistry.

 

If you believe there is a disconnect between manager and players - as I do - then it stands to reason that replacing the manager would lift the players' spirits and hopefully their performance.  Baseball is a largely mental game, you can't underestimate the role that attitude plays.  Just look at the A's.

[Lifetime]

Scioscia handling the personalities

[Carlota Gonzalez]

Funny how it used to be conventional wisdom that "the best move Stoneman ever made was hiring Scioscia"

Actually it was the best move. Sosh hs been awesome for this organization, but dude needs a change of scenery. A breath of fresh air, and so does the franchise.

[Lifetime]

If you believe there is a disconnect between manager and players - as I do - then it stands to reason that replacing the manager would lift the players' spirits and hopefully their performance. Baseball is a largely mental game, you can't underestimate the role that attitude plays. Just look at the A's.

I don't think a disconnect is evident or at the root of the struggles.

[Make Angels Great Again]

What do you think the root of the problem is LT? Just random chance that all the players are wildly underperforming?

[WallyWorld]

I don't think a disconnect is evident or at the root of the struggles.

 

well, agree to disagree.

[Hubs]

If they fired Scioscia, which IMHO would be a bad decision, Dino Ebel is the likely candidate for the interim job. Butcher would likely be fired too. 

 

There aren't any candidates I'd rather have than Scioscia, who is regarded as a very good manager. 

 

Think about who the Dodgers have had since Lasorda retired. They had Walter Alston, Lasorda, then these guys.

 

Bill Russell (3), Glenn Hoffman (I), Davey Johnson (2), Jim Tracy (5), Grady Little (2) , Joe Torre (3), and now Mattingly (3).

 

In the same time frame the Angels had Marcel Latcheman (3), John McNamara (I), Joe Maddon (I), Terry Collins (3), Maddon again (I), then Scioscia (14). 

 

Stability is underrated in Managers. Scioscia is the 23rd manager (by tenure) in Angels history. Given that 5 of the other 22 have had multiple stints, (Mauch, McNamara, Lachemann, Rodgers, Maddon), that means only 18 guys have held that job.

 

Best Managers in the game have been there for many, many, years. Taking Scioscia's tenure out of the equation, the other 17 have then covered 35 years. Which is just over two seasons per guy. 

 

Seeing as a lot of these guys lasted less than a year or were interim managers, you really have eleven guys helming the club for more than two years.

 

Scioscia is in his 14th season.

Rigney had 7 1/2 seasons.

Mauch had 4 1/2 seasons.

Lefty Phillips had parts of three.

Dick Williams had parts of three.

Fregosi had parts of three.

Doug Radar had parts of three

Buck Rodgers had three.

Marcel Lachemann had parts of three

Terry Collins had parts of three.

McNamara had two.

 

We're spoiled to think that there is someone better out there. 

 

Looking around the majors, after Sciocia, the longest tenured guy is Gardenhire in Minnesota. Then in the AL, you have guys hired for 2006 in Joe Maddon and Jim Leyland. Then guys for 2007 in Ron Washington and for 2008 in Joe Girardi, 

 

Everyone else has been replaced in the last three years.

 

In the NL, Charlie Manuel has been leading the Phillies since 05. Bruce Bochy and Bud Black since 07, and Dusty Baker for 08. 

 

Everyone else has been replaced in the last three years.

 

Do you want to replace a manager every three seasons, as is the evidence for the trend in baseball?

 

How many guys have World Series rings in the group who has lasted more than three seasons?

 

Manuel, Bochy, Scioscia, and Girardi. That's it. The Tigers have been there and lost. Gardenhire never has been. Baker has been and lost.

 

If they aren't going to upgrade to a better manager, it's best if they just hope Scioscia pulls something out this year, or we'll end up in a manager search every three years.

 

I don't want that.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

I remember a buddy of mine saying the same thing about Torre years ago.  Regarding Mike it's all conjecture by us fans but he defnitely seemed to thrive with a small ball roster and over the last few years there doesn't seem to be much emotion or fire that's evident when you watch games.  Last year Trumbo was fired up for a while and it was great to see and the year before that Bourjous was exciting to watch because he was the new guy hustling.  I think Mike defnitely still cares now but he wouldn't be the last person who was in a job just going through the motions collecting a paycheck. 

[Jimmag]

I would not be happy that Mike Scioscia got fired however, there comes a time where something has to change. Unfortunately in sports it is usually a coach or manager that gets the blame for these over-priced underachieving players and teams that do not compete like they are capable of. Arte has spent a lot of money to win and win now. He expects nothing less. Maybe a coach or manager getting fired is something this team needs to light a fire under them.

[WallyWorld]

Hubs, I hear you on the continuity thing, but you can't let that control your decisions.

 

It's not so much a case of Scioscia being a bad manager as it is the idea that perhaps he has lost this team, the players have tuned him out, he's lost effectiveness in this situation, etc.  If the Angels did fire him, I'd expect he'd get another job quickly and probably do great.  

 

In terms of his replacement, I'll admit to not having a long list of available managers I'm in love with idea of coming here.  My first choice would have been Francona, but that ship has sailed.  Wouldn't mind seeing them bring in a fairly young ex-player, someone who might be able to relate to the players better.

[Mark68]

If they fired Scioscia, which IMHO would be a bad decision, Dino Ebel is the likely candidate for the interim job. Butcher would likely be fired too. 

 

There aren't any candidates I'd rather have than Scioscia, who is regarded as a very good manager. 

 

Think about who the Dodgers have had since Lasorda retired. They had Walter Alston, Lasorda, then these guys.

 

Bill Russell (3), Glenn Hoffman (I), Davey Johnson (2), Jim Tracy (5), Grady Little (2) , Joe Torre (3), and now Mattingly (3).

 

In the same time frame the Angels had Marcel Latcheman (3), John McNamara (I), Joe Maddon (I), Terry Collins (3), Maddon again (I), then Scioscia (14). 

 

Stability is underrated in Managers. Scioscia is the 23rd manager (by tenure) in Angels history. Given that 5 of the other 22 have had multiple stints, (Mauch, McNamara, Lachemann, Rodgers, Maddon), that means only 18 guys have held that job.

 

Best Managers in the game have been there for many, many, years. Taking Scioscia's tenure out of the equation, the other 17 have then covered 35 years. Which is just over two seasons per guy. 

 

Seeing as a lot of these guys lasted less than a year or were interim managers, you really have eleven guys helming the club for more than two years.

 

Scioscia is in his 14th season.

Rigney had 7 1/2 seasons.

Mauch had 4 1/2 seasons.

Lefty Phillips had parts of three.

Dick Williams had parts of three.

Fregosi had parts of three.

Doug Radar had parts of three

Buck Rodgers had three.

Marcel Lachemann had parts of three

Terry Collins had parts of three.

McNamara had two.

 

We're spoiled to think that there is someone better out there. 

 

Looking around the majors, after Sciocia, the longest tenured guy is Gardenhire in Minnesota. Then in the AL, you have guys hired for 2006 in Joe Maddon and Jim Leyland. Then guys for 2007 in Ron Washington and for 2008 in Joe Girardi, 

 

Everyone else has been replaced in the last three years.

 

In the NL, Charlie Manuel has been leading the Phillies since 05. Bruce Bochy and Bud Black since 07, and Dusty Baker for 08. 

 

Everyone else has been replaced in the last three years.

 

Do you want to replace a manager every three seasons, as is the evidence for the trend in baseball?

 

How many guys have World Series rings in the group who has lasted more than three seasons?

 

Manuel, Bochy, Scioscia, and Girardi. That's it. The Tigers have been there and lost. Gardenhire never has been. Baker has been and lost.

 

If they aren't going to upgrade to a better manager, it's best if they just hope Scioscia pulls something out this year, or we'll end up in a manager search every three years.

 

I don't want that.

Rigney had 8 1/2 seasons. He was their first manager, from 1961 until he was replaced in 1969.

 

There comes a time when a manager is in one place too long, and becomes stale and cliched. That time has been here for a couple of years, at least. Whatever Scioscia's message is doesn't seem to be getting through. That is, if he has a message. Sometimes, a change is needed just to stir things up. In this case, a change is needed because this team just looks apathetic and ill-prepared on the field. That blame squarely lies on the shoulders of the coaching staff, and its head: Scioscia.

[fan_since79]

I don't know about Scioscia's "message", but he has a lot of silly nicknames for his players and coaches.

 

Come on now...Jeppy?! Like nails on a chalkboard.