Fangraphs Starting Rotation Rankings - Angels #12

[Reveille1984]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-positional-power-rankings-starting-rotations-1-15/

 

A little higher than I though we would be honestly.  Pluses - a lot of cost-controlled, young arms with decent upside.  Minuses - Wilson and Weaver declining and overpaid. 

[sneaky_flute]

You know the league sucks when that Tigers rotation is ranked 10th in the majors. 

[ksangel]

You know WAR is joke stat when Jason Hammel, Carlos Martinez, Zach McAllister and even Jon Niese have a higher projected WAR than Weaver. 

 

Even CJ Wilson has a higher projected WAR than Weaver. 

 

Bunch of junk article. 

 

Can't define with stats how Weaver continues to win 15+ games per year. 

[bloodbrother]

Thinking ahead....wonder if the Halos sign a big name starter next offseason. With Weav/CJ on the last year of their deals heading into 2016 and the rest of the staff filled with young, cost-controlled guys...they can afford to bring in a high-end FA arm. Market will definitely be there since this next FA class is deep with good pitching

[nikkachez]

I think CJ actually drags them down a bit. I think it'll be a lot better heading into next season. Newcomb should be close to ready, Heaney will have some experience under his belt, Skaggs will have had plenty of time to recover from his TJ surgery. Would love to see CJ dealt for peanuts and a legit #3 starter acquired to replace him. 

[Second Base]

FanGraphs hates the Angels. I've got them down at 7th, but I also have the Padres 3rd and M's 4th.

It all comes down to not correctly valuing Richards, Shoemaker or even Santiago for that matter. Richards is one of ten best pitchers in baseball, Shoemaker isn't a fluke he's a legit #3, Santiago posted an ERA at 3.30 after his promotion from AAA that spanned across most of the season.

If all you're going to talk about is how much Wilson and Weav make and fail to acknowledge their prior success or specify the Angels wealth of depth, the clearly you have an agenda.

Is their rotation elite? No. But Richards matches up with just about anybody, Shoe can outpitch most teams #2 starter, Weav and Wilson may be backend in quality but they'll still deliver upwards of 200 innings each. Not to mention guys like Heaney, Tropeano and Rucinski waiting for their shot and Newcomb coming on strong.

[nando714]

That's a little generous

[tdawg87]

I believe Richards is legit, but he's had 168 innings of success at the MLB level. How about we wait a little bit before declaring him one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball.

[Hollyw00d]

Scotty you have to remember FG isn't viewing the team through extreme homer glasses

[Hollyw00d]

I think 12 is about right.  The rotation could be really solid.  There's pretty significant downside as well

[Chris]

after we add Rucinski to the rotation we'll rocket to #1

[Docwaukee]

I think the ranking is pretty solid.  

 

Overall though, I think we are in the second tier and could end up middle of the pack to top 5.  Probably somewhere in between.  Pretty much where we were last year.  

[Second Base]

I believe Richards is legit, but he's had 168 innings of success at the MLB level. How about we wait a little bit before declaring him one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball.

 

1. Kershaw 2. Felix 3. Bumgarner 4. Scherzer 5. Cueto 6. Kluber 7. Greinke 8. Harvey 9. Hamels 10......

 

I've got Strasburg, Sale, Richards, Price and Zimmerman.

 

Ok so you're right, he's the 12th best starting pitcher in baseball. Not top 10.

[QuinlansMinion]

Screw this fangraphs article and all the doubters.  We will have a top 5 rotation at least this year.  Shoemaker, Richards, and Weaver will all pitch like aces.  Wilson will be a solid 4 starter and whoever we slot 5th will be adequate. 

 

Inb4 hate

[tdawg87]

What I'm saying is, those guys have proven themselves to be elite pitchers over the course of multiple seasons. Richards has the stuff and the potential to become one of them, but he needs to actually back that up with more than 3/4 of a full season of stats.

 

You also forgot Lester.

[Blarg]

Bumgarner is a playoff and world series ace. During the regular season he is not the #3 pitcher in baseball.

[Docwaukee]

After Kershaw and Felix, I feel like the remainder of the names are pretty interchangeable. 

[mtangelsfan]

To make any argument that Weaver is overpaid is beyond stupid.  Dude could be making almost twice as much as he is.

 

Players like Weaver are exactly why stats, or at least the popular stats right now, will never tell the entire story.

[NrM]

To make any argument that Weaver is overpaid is beyond stupid.  Dude could be making almost twice as much as he is.

 

Players like Weaver are exactly why stats, or at least the popular stats right now, will never tell the entire story.

 

Weaver wouldn't be the same pitcher if he didn't pitch in Anaheim. In Weaver's case, stats do tell the entire story.

Edited April 1, 2015 by Poozy

[mtangelsfan]

No, they don't.  The fact is he does pitch in Anaheim, his success is just as meaningful as any other pitcher.  He is clearly not overpaid because we both know that he could have received a whole lot more money on the open market.

[Hollyw00d]

To make any argument that Weaver is overpaid is beyond stupid.  Dude could be making almost twice as much as he is.

 

Players like Weaver are exactly why stats, or at least the popular stats right now, will never tell the entire story.

Weaver's stats the past 4 seasons have said he is declining and will continue to decline.

And that's exactly what has happened.

[mtangelsfan]

If your stats are saying he is overpaid then they are crappy stats.

 

In a big game I'll take Weaver any day of the week.

[Hollyw00d]

Ok. You'll be taking an average pitcher.

[beatlesrule]

While I agree with the ranking of 12th best in baseball, the Weaver is overpaid nonsense needs to stop.  Dude is a gamer and had a 3.59 era last year and is only 32.  His career era is 3.28 and like it's already been mentioned, turned down around 40 million to stay with the Angels.  I hope he is resigned and retires an Angel.

[mtangelsfan]

I'll take the pitcher who will win the game.  Which is what matters.  You can rate him how you wish.