Gunfire at Oregon High School

[Blarg]

Arguing about gun laws on a message board is like trying to convince Scioscia that he gave DaVanon, Alfonzo, Finley, Wells, Hillenbrand, and Ibanez way too many AB's.

 

Completely pointless, but people will continue to try really really really hard.  

 

Yeah... that was a pretty bad analogy since we all pretty much agree Scioscia gave all those guys too many at bats. No if you were to go with the Napoli vs Mathis argument you may get somewhere. Not far, but somewhere.

[HaloCory22]

This thread is gold.

[fan_since79]

Let's blame the Chinese. They invented gunpowder.

[TobiasFunke]

I blame God for inventing humans

 

 

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Edited June 10, 2014 by TobiasFunke

[HaloCory22]

I blame God for inventing humans

 

 

/thread

I blame evolution.

 

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[Chimi]

I still don't understand WHY people need guns.  Why do we need automatic weapons?  The only reason people have is because the constitution says so.  That's not a good enough reason.  Hunting?  Ok, but how many gun owners actually use their guns to hunt and feed their family?

 

Then you have these guys who decided to go eat at Chipotle and take some rifles with them...

 

 

Or this guy who is enjoying a nice cup of Starbucks with his Shotgun...

 

 

Welcome to Jack in the Box, may I take your order?

 

 

More guys enjoying coffee with their guns...

 

 

Buying something at JC Penny...

 

 

Here is a guy at the Target food court.  Just needed to stop and get a snack apparently...

 

 

This can be expected at Wal-Mart...

 

[red321]

Me thinks those people are probably trying to over compensate for something

[fan_since79]

I can safely predict that none of those people pictured will be victims of a violent crime this year.

[Blarg]

If they don't shoot their dicks off cleaning their guns drunk.

[red321]

I can safely predict that none of those people pictured will be victims of a violent crime this year.

 

It's probably more likely that at least one of those people will be the perpetrator of a violent crime this year.

[TobiasFunke]

I can safely predict that none of those people pictured will be victims of a violent crime this year.

Oh yea? That dude that got blasted in Walmart in Vegas probably thought that about himself also.

[TobiasFunke]

I still don't understand WHY people need guns.  Why do we need automatic weapons?  The only reason people have is because the constitution says so.  That's not a good enough reason.  Hunting?  Ok, but how many gun owners actually use their guns to hunt and feed their family?

 

Then you have these guys who decided to go eat at Chipotle and take some rifles with them...

 

 

Or this guy who is enjoying a nice cup of Starbucks with his Shotgun...

 

 

Welcome to Jack in the Box, may I take your order?

 

 

More guys enjoying coffee with their guns...

 

 

Buying something at JC Penny...

 

 

Here is a guy at the Target food court.  Just needed to stop and get a snack apparently...

 

 

This can be expected at Wal-Mart...

 

 

Edited June 10, 2014 by TobiasFunke

[Tank]

No amount of parenting can fix kids who are f'd up in the head.  100% of it has to do with easy access to guns for people who are unfit to be in possession of one.

 

access is one issue, but it's not the only issue. while i agree that more guns in circulation is part of the problem, a greater issue is kids thinking that violence is their only option in resolving conflict. i'm gonna say what many here will hate, but there is a direct correlation between all these violent games kids play for hours on end and how they see options in how to deal with difficult situations in real life. cite whatever you sources you want, but by beholding we become changed.

[arch stanton]

What I don't understand is why nobody wants to attack the problem closer to the source. If school shootings is your issue then work toward keeping guns away from schools. 

[TobiasFunke]

i'm gonna say what many here will hate, but there is a direct correlation between all these violent games kids play for hours on end and how they see options in how to deal with difficult situations in real life. cite whatever you sources you want, but by beholding we become changed.

I like how you challenge us to cite sources yet you cite zero sources in your ridiculous statement.

[nate]

There have been tons of studies that found no connection between violent video games and violence.  They found that the people that perpetrate these are already f'd up in the head.

 

I am all about responsibility of parents, I think many are incredibly irresponsible.

 

My favorite is that the gun owners aren't for responsibility for gun owners and merchants.

 

For example, if your gun is used in a violent crime you should be charged with the same thing the actual perp is.  After all you weren't responsible enough to secure your guns.

[Stradling]

I like how you challenge us to cite sources yet you cite zero sources in your ridiculous statement.

He didn't challenge you to cite sources. He was sharing his opinion despite whatever sources you would like to cite.

[TobiasFunke]

He didn't challenge you to cite sources. He was sharing his opinion despite whatever sources you would like to cite.

Fascinating opinions they are also

[Chimi]

I love the video game argument. Video games are a global thing. The video game industry is huge especially in Asian countries, but you don't see these stories coming out over there. I guess since we can't blame Marilyn Manson anymore, video games are the next best scapegoat.

[mtangelsfan]

It is weird to me that anti-gun folks dismiss continually any other reasons other than guns for the reason for all of the killing.  There still has to be a reason that people are loading, picking the gun up, pointing them and pulling the trigger.  Do we want to never figure out why that is?

[nate]

It is weird to me that anti-gun folks dismiss continually any other reasons other than guns for the reason for all of the killing.  There still has to be a reason that people are loading, picking the gun up, pointing them and pulling the trigger.  Do we want to never figure out why that is?

 

Mental illness.  You tell me the magical way to get rid of it and I will be fine with gun people keeping all their guns.

[nate]

By the way, MT.  I will be the first to tell you that the parents of the Sandy Hook guy should be in jail for the rest of their lives for owning a gun and not properly securing it from their mentally ill son.

[mtangelsfan]

You aren't really listening.  It isn't just mental illness unless anyone that kills anyone else is mentally ill.

 

I'm fine with being much more cautious regarding how guns are sold and owned.  I'm fine with significant training on the use of guns as requirements. 

 

I just think we aren't concentrating on the root causes. 

[nate]

Training doesn't have anything to do with it.  Of all the gun deaths, very few are because someone uses it wrong.

 

Most gun owners want all the guns and none of the responsibility.

 

The root cause is that there are tons of guns and tons of people willing to use them to kill innocent people.

 

In other countries there are the people willing to do it but not the guns to do it.

 

Our politicians just come up with limp dick gun control measures and don't attack the actual problem which is the number of guns already in existence.

[TobiasFunke]

This country will never get rid of the insane amount of guns already in the hands of Americans Nate, so what is plan B?