Conger vs Ianetta

[rageous]

I never bought into the whole CERA when it was brought up in the Mathis and Napoli arguments especially since Mathis was used as an exclusive catcher to our best starting pitchers.

But I believe CERA between Conger and Ianetta has merit since both has catched different starting pitchers various times.

Ianetta 4.23

Conger 3.59

That's a huge difference and can be attributed directly to how bad Ianetta is at framing pitches and on the other side how effective Conger is at framing pitches.

What do you guys think about this topic?

[CaliAngel]

You spelled Iannetta wrong.

 

Anyway, I will take Conger over Ianetta any day of the week purely because he's an Asian catcher.

 

Can't beat those kung fu instincts behind the plate.

[Adam]

They both have their (bad) moments behind the plate, but I don't think the Angels are weak at that position. Neither guy is great but their overall production should be above average. 

 

Iannetta can't frame pitches for shit

[rageous]

They both have their (bad) moments behind the plate, but I don't think the Angels are weak at that position. Neither guy is great but their overall production should be above average. 

 

Iannetta can't frame pitches for shit

But I am not talking about Ianetta as a hitter.

I think he's a good hitter and can be really good at times but his defense is costing the team lot of runs in the run prevention area.

[Adam]

He's no Yadier for sure

[robblin17]

Iannetta is a terrible defensive catcher. Atrocious is actually better to describe him.

[Mark68]

He's no Yadier for sure

Nope. But then, there are only a handful of elite catchers out there. Yadier, Posey, probably Martin, & McCann.

 

That's about it.

 

One to look for in the next year or so: Austin Hedges.

[Mark68]

You spelled Iannetta wrong.

 

Anyway, I will take Conger over Ianetta any day of the week purely because he's an Asian catcher.

 

Can't beat those kung fu instincts behind the plate.

And he said "both has catched". I caught that before the misspelling of "Iannetta", which, admittedly, is easy to do.

[martinpa25]

They're both awful defensive catchers...you guys can't deny how many times they have let passed balls get by them..at least one per game..they've just been lucky they get called wild pitches

[rageous]

Here is the breakdown for each catcher for Garrett Richards

Conger 22IP 0.82ERA

Iannetta 52.2IP 4.27ERA

[Mark68]

Here is the breakdown for each catcher for Garrett Richards

Conger 22IP 0.82ERA

Iannetta 52.2IP 4.27ERA

Beware short sample sizes (especially in Conger's case).

[m0nkey]

You spelled Iannetta wrong.

 

Anyway, I will take Conger over Ianetta any day of the week purely because he's an Asian catcher.

 

Can't beat those kung fu instincts behind the plate.

[CaliAngel]

 

Anyway, I will take Conger over Ianetta any day of the week purely because he's an Asian catcher.

 

 

the misspelling of "Iannetta", which, admittedly, is easy to do.

 

Good thing I didn't start the thread.

Edited June 6, 2014 by CaliAngel

[rageous]

Here is the breakdown of catchers for Tyler Skaggs

 

Conger

23.2IP 4.56ERA

 

Iannetta 

50IP 5.22ERA

[JarsOfClay]

we've lost the last 5 games that iannetta has started as catcher while giving up 9, 11, 6, 7, and 8 runs in those games.  iannetta started all 3 losses vs oakland.  in other words the angels started losing a lot since scioscia started giving the bulk of playing time to iannetta.

 

i know our pitching is a lot better than that, and it seems like there is always an issue with strikes not being called by the umpire when iannetta is behind the plate.  the angels pitchers were able to get outs despite missing so many strike calls, but there was no way they could continue losing strikes and still pitch well.  

 

i dont get why scioscia doesnt see that iannetta is a huge problem behind the plate?  or maybe he's just holding a grudge because iannetta is one of dipoto's guys, so he's trying to throw it in dipoto's face.

[Glen]

It would help if Conger would start hitting again. Iannetta has been much better at the plate lately.

[Ludwig Von Mises]

Conger appears to be one of the best in MLB at pitch framing.

http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php

The numbers seem to be consistent year to year as well, with the same guys (Lucroy, J. Molina) among the leaders every year.

There are a few catchers consistently worse than Iannetta (Doumit, Buck, ,Laird, ) but he's pretty damn bad.

[CaliAngel]

For some reason Skip didn't care about a catcher that could hit until we got Iannetta?

 

He did this same bullshit with Napoli.

 

Guy is out of his goddamned mind.

[JarsOfClay]

For some reason Skip didn't care about a catcher that could hit until we got Iannetta?

 

He did this same bullshit with Napoli.

 

Guy is out of his goddamned mind.

 

lol i was thinking same thing.  

[OregonLAA]

I was going to say the same thing. When Mathis was here, he played him because of how the pitchers pitched when he was behind the plate. But now that Conger is here, he isn't using that logic. Makes zero sense.

[rageous]

Jered Weaver's stat with each catcher

 

Conger

34IP 3.71ERA

 

Iannetta

44.1IP 3.04 ERA

[markb]

You can't use overall CERA as a valid measure because it doesn't account for whom they are matched up with.   Of course then you did break down two specific examples, but chose only to compare them with our two young pitchers, who are prone to bouts of inconsistency all on their own.  Iannetta also has a pile of ER from a couple of trainwreck Santiago starts.  

 

But what about with our two best pitchers?  

 

Weaver

 

Conger - 3.71 ERA in 34 IP

Iannetta - 3.05 ERA in 44.1 IP

 

Wilson

 

Conger - 3.61 ERA in 46.1 IP

Iannetta - 3.38 ERA in 32 IP

 

So what now?

 

EDIT:  ok you added it in while I was getting my cup of coffee before hitting post.  

Edited June 6, 2014 by markb

[rageous]

You can't use overall CERA as a valid measure because it doesn't account for whom they are matched up with.   Of course then you did break down two specific examples, but chose only to compare them with our two young pitchers, who are prone to bouts of inconsistency all on their own.  Iannetta also has a pile of ER from a couple of trainwreck Santiago starts.  

 

But what about with our two best pitchers?  

 

Weaver

 

Conger - 3.71 ERA in 34 IP

Iannetta - 3.05 ERA in 44.1 IP

 

Wilson

 

Conger - 3.61 ERA in 46.1 IP

Iannetta - 3.38 ERA in 32 IP

 

So what now?

 

EDIT:  ok you added it in while I was getting my cup of coffee before hitting post.  

I am at work so I was doing the numbers on each pitcher separately.

I am kind of surprised on CJ's numbers since I figured he would benefit the most since he is such a nibbler.

But Weaver I can understand since he has the most precise control in the Angel's rotation.

Edited June 6, 2014 by rageous

[Blarg]

Anyone bother to factor in ballparks to see if there is a run scoring difference?

[Halo4life714]

One thing that really irritated me yesterday watching Iannetta catch is when Bedrosian was pitching he looks like was gonna get out of it if it wasn't for Iannetta dropping a foul tip ball out of his mitt. The dude had it and dropped the freaking ball. Stuff like that and of course his "stabbing" at pitches. It's the little things like that that makes a huge difference.