Obamacare/Trumpcare Horror Stories

[nate]

Just now, mtangelsfan said:

Not much different here.  Best care is in the big cities.

There is a major difference.  Here the difference might be like the 1980s and the 2010s.  There it is like the 2010s and the 14th century.

[mtangelsfan]

have you been there?  There are big cities all over the place there.  Sure there are some hollows but 90% of the population lives either in a big city or close enough to them.    

[nate]

I have, it is an amazing country.  I would say more like 70%.

Cambodia is beautiful too by the way, too bad it is being ruined by rebels and civil war.  Angkor Wat is the most incredible and beautiful place I have ever been.

[mtangelsfan]

Every time I go to Thailand I go to Cambodia.  Angkor Wat is stunning.  I love Siem Reip  with it's french style.  I love both places and I want to get to Viet Nam.

[gotbeer]

Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin

 

I guess we could go to the Canadian system of healthcare.

[Adam]

It isn't the government's job to fight addiction

[nate]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/obamacare-has-increased-insurance-coverage-everywhere/

[fan_since79]

The Obama administration may raid the Treasury to pay insurers billions of dollars, circumventing Congress.

"If you like your tax dollars, you can keep your tax dollars."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/obama-administration-may-use-obscure-fund-to-pay-billions-to-aca-insurers/2016/09/29/64a22ea4-81bc-11e6-b002-307601806392_story.html

[fan_since79]

Minnesota's individual market is near collapse, and the state will let insurers raise premiums by 50 to 67 percent next year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-30/near-collapse-minnesota-insurers-up-obamacare-rates-by-half

[Blarg]

On 9/4/2016 at 0:41 PM, Make Angels Great Again said:

@gotbeer

That has to be one of the most click baity articles I've ever seen. Plain as day agenda going on there.

• Britons diagnosed with cancer or heart attacks are more likely to die, and more quickly, than those of most other developed nations.”

These are called facts. I know you are not used to seeing them during the Obama administration but they are out there. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

50 minutes ago, Blarg said:

• Britons diagnosed with cancer or heart attacks are more likely to die, and more quickly, than those of most other developed nations.”

These are called facts. I know you are not used to seeing them during the Obama administration but they are out there. 

I was mostly referring to the title of the article. The title makes it sound so much worse than it is.

[Blarg]

If you read the article the British Health Care system is much worse than the title.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Well, if you read some news reports yesterday they're also close to finding a real cure to HIV.

 

We can agree to disagree.

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Well, if you read some news reports yesterday they're also close to finding a real cure to HIV.

 

We can agree to disagree.

I'm sure the families of those that lost their loved ones to disease because of being black listed or ignored until it was terminal are heartened by research for a cure that will not be administered in a timely manner as well.

[Make Angels Great Again]

lol.

I guess you just have to have the last word.

[Blarg]

I think it's called facts. You want to play the socialist excuse maker please go right ahead but facts are a stubborn thing. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

Here are some facts:

HIV Cure: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/02/hiv-cure-close-after-disease-vanishes-from-blood-of-british-man/

Here's a guy who lived in america for 20 years and the UK for 20 years comparing systems: http://www.businessinsider.com/an-american-uses-britain-nhs-2015-1

 

Last but not least, i'll leave you with this again. The only thing the US doesn't suck at in healthcare is the effectiveness and timeliness of care. Effectiveness is pretty much the same compared to UK and the US is a bit quicker in timeliness. Everything else the US is blown out of the water.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/#42675e9d1b96

 

[Tank]

i take it you're not including the VA in your US healthcare facts.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Not sure to be honest, the source article is right here: the data comes from multiple different sources.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror

[Make Angels Great Again]

Anyways, my original point was that article title says "Government to ban smokers and fat people from getting surgery."

From what I gather, the case seems to be that just a subsidiary of the NHS is choosing not to give Hip and Knee replacement surgery to fat smokers that refuse to quit. They are prioritizing helping them lose weight and quit smoking first.

But that doesn't fit the narrative, so...

[Blarg]

I read the article of the guy living in both US and UK and he has no life threatening medical problems so he is OK with having to take whatever schedule he is given. 

But what I know,  and know for certainty, is the delays in the UK socialized Medicine extend the time period for diagnosis and action taken and my own personal bout with cancer would have put me in the position where the cancer would have progressed to stage three before diagnosis and potentialy stage four by the time I got through their referrals. 

But go ahead and excuse make all you want,  post bullshit anecdotal stories and fabricated stats based on head cold cures but the facts are people in the UK die from bladder, and all other  cancers at an alarmingly higher rate than the US. 

At least it costs less, right? 

[Make Angels Great Again]

Costs less is the understatement of the year. People avoid going to the doctor here because they're afraid of going bankrupt from the bills. Some people kill themselves over it because of one reason or another.

I'm glad you're able to get good treatment. The US is definitely very good at cancer treatment. But the UK is not some exactly dog shit at it in comparison.

 

 

[Adam]

Isn't it an 11% tax for healthcare in the UK assessed against your NET income, not gross? I could be wrong. Correct me if so. 

 

That doesn't sound terribly cheap. 

[Blarg]

13 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Costs less is the understatement of the year. People avoid going to the doctor here because they're afraid of going bankrupt from the bills. Some people kill themselves over it because of one reason or another.

I'm glad you're able to get good treatment. The US is definitely very good at cancer treatment. But the UK is not some exactly dog shit at it in comparison.

 

 

Maybe you should read this again. 

• Britons diagnosed with cancer or heart attacks are more likely to die, and more quickly, than those of most other developed nations.”

[Make Angels Great Again]

Stats are skewed. Cancer mortality rates are almost exactly the same between the two countries, while survival rates are higher for the US because of over-diagnoses.