Jack Clark: Pujols was a 'roider

[fan_since79]

He was a big boy back in '06.

 

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

I said 85%.  Somebody several posts before me said 75%. 

 

Adding you to ignore with the likes of sneaky_flute if you can't converse like a rational adult. 

On the new site, how do you add someone to ignore?

[CaliAngel]

He was a big boy back in '06.

 

 

He looks exactly the same.

[Troll Daddy]

So if players like Colon can keep juicing knowing that the league is keeping a close eye on him ... then testing clearly isn't working.

So we can assume there's still plenty of roiders in the game.

[fan_since79]

He looks exactly the same.

Yeah, I guess so. At this point, I couldn't care less if he was juicing. The whole game is messed up right now.

[tomsred]

On the new site, how do you add someone to ignore?

You fold your arms in front of your chest, pout your lip, and say "I'm not talking to you anymore."

[Taylor]

Ironically, if Pujols were putting up his usual numbers, you kids would be defending him and saying Jack Clark is full of it. But because he's had a poor season, you want to question his character, too. 

[OregonLAA]

Ironically, if Pujols were putting up his usual numbers, you kids would be defending him and saying Jack Clark is full of it. But because he's had a poor season, you want to question his character, too.

Well, ya. He just got a huge contract and then dropped off big time. Now that he has his money, it's not worth getting caught. Don't you think that's a little fishy?

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Some might be defending it but quite a few people here seem to be of the opinion that no one is above suspicion.  MLB seems to be leading the way amongst the 4 major US sports when it comes to PED's and not in a good way. 

[WallyWorld]

Well, ya. He just got a huge contract and then dropped off big time. Now that he has his money, it's not worth getting caught. Don't you think that's a little fishy?

 

also worth noting is that right around the time he started declining (even his last year in STL) and signed his mega contract with the Angels is the same time MLB started their more stringent testing and suspensions for PEDs.  Again, all just speculation, but it is fishy.

[Amazing Larry]

Well, ya. He just got a huge contract and then dropped off big time. Now that he has his money, it's not worth getting caught. Don't you think that's a little fishy?

Took the words out of my mouth. His decline in health isn't any more comforting either.

[Stradling]

Yea you don't really hear any of the other sports taking action against PEDs at all.

[Sciosciapath]

[Amazing Larry]

Yea you don't really hear any of the other sports taking action against PEDs at all.

Couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_and_coaches_suspended_by_the_NFL#Suspensions_for_violating_the_substance_policy

[Stradling]

Not sure how to put this into sentence form but I'll try. Back before PEDs players would start their decline in their early 30's, around 33 or 34. That is about when the injuries would start to wear on them. So as we are seeing Pujols break down there is a lot of speculation that he is breaking down because he is no longer doing roids. In reality it could just be the natural regression due to age. I have no idea if he was a user, I just know that him breaking down now isn't an indication one way or another.

[SoWhat]

20 pages, calling it

[VariousCrap]

Well, ya. He just got a huge contract and then dropped off big time. Now that he has his money, it's not worth getting caught. Don't you think that's a little fishy?

 

 

In all fairness, Pujols last season with the Cardinals was a down year for him.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Not sure about the NBA or NHL policies but the NFL has seemed to take a more hardline approach.  MLB was brought back to life after reeling from the previous lockout during the summer of 98 when Big Mac and Sosa were on PED's and chasing Maris.  As I said before in another thread I don't doubt that it was any less prevalent in the NFL but MLB took what seemed like a much weaker stance on the subject.  Regardless they at least seem to be cracking down now with the recent bans but even then they waited until after the ASB which seems like a PR move and not one out of necessity due to evidence but who knows. 

[tomsred]

Not sure how to put this into sentence form but I'll try. Back before PEDs players would start their decline in their early 30's, around 33 or 34. That is about when the injuries would start to wear on them. So as we are seeing Pujols break down there is a lot of speculation that he is breaking down because he is no longer doing roids. In reality it could just be the natural regression due to age. I have no idea if he was a user, I just know that him breaking down now isn't an indication one way or another.

That's a paragraph, not a sentence, but we get the idea.

[Sciosciapath]

Not sure about the NBA or NHL policies but the NFL has seemed to take a more hardline approach.  MLB was brought back to life after reeling from the previous lockout during the summer of 98 when Big Mac and Sosa were on PED's and chasing Maris.  As I said before in another thread I don't doubt that it was any less prevalent in the NFL but MLB took what seemed like a much weaker stance to the entire subject.  Regardless they at least seem to be cracking down now with the recent bans but even then they waited until after the ASB which seems like a PR move and not one out of necessity due to evidence but who knows. 

 

That is the grand irony in it all. 

 

Selig turned a blind eye to Sosa/Big Mac/Bonds, and now he is organizing witch hunts for the same things he turned the blind eye to.

[VariousCrap]

I have a hard time trusting a rumor that is based on a guy who says he was told Pujols was using PEDs by someone else.  If that is all you got, I'm not buying it.  I'm not saying Pujols didn't ever use PEDs, but I am not going to convict the guy based on this type of rumor.

[Torridd]

He was almost definitely juicing but I agree with Jsn that having someone indirectly telling you something doesn't mean a thing.  

Almost definitely?

[sneaky_flute]

One night I accidentally stumbled into the Cardinals' locker room and was greeted by the sight of Pujols injecting his juicy, rotund booty with the finest steroids. If that's not proof then I don't know what is.

[mtangelsfan]

That is the grand irony in it all. 

 

Selig turned a blind eye to Sosa/Big Mac/Bonds, and now he is organizing witch hunts for the same things he turned the blind eye to.

 

I wouldn't really call 50 game suspensions witch hunts.

[stormngt]

He better have some concrete evidence because at this point slandering a guys reputation with a steroid accusation is going to end up in court.

 

Read up on the following cases:  New York Times v. Sullivan and Curtis v. Butts.

 

Since Pujols is a public figure, in order to prove slander he must show actual malice or reckless disregard of the truth.  In other words, Clark doesn't need any proof.  Pujols has to have proof that Clark is lying or proof that Clark is willfully trying to harm Pujols.

 

Based on that article I do not see any thing that would meet the Sullivan test.