The Official 2024 Minor League Stats, Scouting, Updates, and Reports Thread

[Second Base]

1 hour ago, Chuck said:

 

Adams has had "80 grade" speed since he was drafted and it still hasn't resulted in elite base steals. It seems to be more of a defensive tool with him. That alone should help him carve out a career in the big leagues. But as the old saying goes, "You can't steal first base." Adams is strong though, so maybe there's some Trayce Thompson value there. 

I think he'll make a good living as a 4th outfielder, as Billy Hamilton did. At best, Adams can turn into a Kiermeier type. 

[greginpsca]

9 hours ago, Stradling said:

 

Wonder if he is related to Vic Davalillo.

[T.G.]

19 hours ago, greginpsca said:

Wonder if he is related to Vic Davalillo.

He always looked like he used a bat that was way too big for him.

[Stradling]

 

[greginpsca]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

 

No Davalillo?

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, greginpsca said:

No Davalillo?

January 2025

[totdprods]

1 hour ago, greginpsca said:

No Davalillo?

I think he's next year's class

[mmc]

 

[Stax]

Why did the Angels sign Lugo a number 37 prospect to $2.3MM signing bonus while Sanchez a number 5 prospect signed to  $2.7MM signing bonus? It seems that Lugo should of received a smaller bonus based on prospect rating. Was the bonus agreed upon awhile back? 

• Adolfo Sanchez, OF, Reds: $2.7MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #5 prospect
• Joswa Lugo, SS, Angels: $2.3MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #37 prospect

[Tank]

1 minute ago, Stax said:

Why did the Angels sign Lugo a number 37 prospect to $2.3MM signing bonus while Sanchez a number 5 prospect signed to  $2.7MM signing bonus? It seems that Lugo should of received a smaller bonus based on prospect rating. Was the bonus agreed upon awhile back? 

• Adolfo Sanchez, OF, Reds: $2.7MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #5 prospect
• Joswa Lugo, SS, Angels: $2.3MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #37 prospect

because this team is so fiscally sound.

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, Stax said:

Why did the Angels sign Lugo a number 37 prospect to $2.3MM signing bonus while Sanchez a number 5 prospect signed to  $2.7MM signing bonus? It seems that Lugo should of received a smaller bonus based on prospect rating. Was the bonus agreed upon awhile back? 

• Adolfo Sanchez, OF, Reds: $2.7MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #5 prospect
• Joswa Lugo, SS, Angels: $2.3MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #37 prospect

BA has Lugo at 8

[mmc]

31 minutes ago, Stax said:

Why did the Angels sign Lugo a number 37 prospect to $2.3MM signing bonus while Sanchez a number 5 prospect signed to  $2.7MM signing bonus? It seems that Lugo should of received a smaller bonus based on prospect rating. Was the bonus agreed upon awhile back? 

• Adolfo Sanchez, OF, Reds: $2.7MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #5 prospect
• Joswa Lugo, SS, Angels: $2.3MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #37 prospect

This will probably blow your mind but it's possible the Angels like Lugo more

[Stax]

23 minutes ago, Stax said:

Why did the Angels sign Lugo a number 37 prospect to $2.3MM signing bonus while Sanchez a number 5 prospect signed to  $2.7MM signing bonus? It seems that Lugo should of received a smaller bonus based on prospect rating. Was the bonus agreed upon awhile back? 

• Adolfo Sanchez, OF, Reds: $2.7MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #5 prospect
• Joswa Lugo, SS, Angels: $2.3MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #37 prospect

I found my answer. The bonus is agreed upon several years prior.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2024-mlb-international-prospects-top-50-bonus-board/

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/scouting-children-why-mlb-has-teams-competing-for-14-year-olds/

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/trainers-mlb-teams-unhappy-with-current-international-signing-system/

[totdprods]

1 hour ago, Stax said:

Why did the Angels sign Lugo a number 37 prospect to $2.3MM signing bonus while Sanchez a number 5 prospect signed to  $2.7MM signing bonus? It seems that Lugo should of received a smaller bonus based on prospect rating. Was the bonus agreed upon awhile back? 

• Adolfo Sanchez, OF, Reds: $2.7MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #5 prospect
• Joswa Lugo, SS, Angels: $2.3MM signing bonus, Dominican Republic native, MLB Pipeline’s #37 prospect

Probably have to overpay to lure guys away from other orgs as well

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Probably have to overpay to lure guys away from other orgs as well

If he is the real deal, the Halos may finally have their first true and solid 3B since Glaus.

Of course, MLB is still several years away.

[totdprods]

11 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

If he is the real deal, the Halos may finally have their first true and solid 3B since Glaus.

Of course, MLB is still several years away.

Meh. Honestly it feels like you could replace 'Vera' with 'Lugo' and it wouldn't sound very different. 

"Vera signed a $2.2 million deal with the Angels, Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com reports.

Vera has a prototypically lean, athletic 6-foot-2, 170-pound frame for a 16-year-old shortstop prospect. A switch hitter from Venezuela, Vera's actions on both sides of the ball are very fluid and aesthetically pleasing. The bulk of Vera's fantasy value will be tied to his bat, as he is only a 50-grade runner. He doesn't have much over-the-fence power now, but should develop 20-homer pop in time. It is unclear what type of hitter he will be, but he has a nice rhythm at the plate and a good understanding of the strike zone. He may eventually outgrow shortstop, but the Angels won't be moving him down the defensive spectrum anytime soon."

Not trying to be a total downer, just not very excited about any of these international signings until we see some of them actually pan out. Nelson Rada from the '22 class is looking like a legit prospect, but even a best-case scenario has him being what, an Ender Inciarte? Ben Revere? Can anyone even name the '23 top signee off the top of their head? I couldn't - it was Felix Morrobel. 

Guys like Suarez and Barria were around '13-'15 classes, so even they were guys who signed roughly a decade ago, before Eppler's stint even. 

This is part of why I really don't care about who they sign this winter. Nor am I advocating for a rebuild. They just need to figure out a new way of doing things when it comes to developing internal talent. Neto, Schanuel, O'Hoppe, Detmers are all great indicators that something may be starting to click. The emphasis should be making that work - not a $200M payroll.

[Make Angels Great Again]

On 1/13/2024 at 6:50 PM, Chuck said:

 

 

Can't believe the Halos picked freakin' Will Wilson one pick before Corbin Carroll.

[Angelsjunky]

2 hours ago, totdprods said:

Meh. Honestly it feels like you could replace 'Vera' with 'Lugo' and it wouldn't sound very different. 

"Vera signed a $2.2 million deal with the Angels, Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com reports.

Vera has a prototypically lean, athletic 6-foot-2, 170-pound frame for a 16-year-old shortstop prospect. A switch hitter from Venezuela, Vera's actions on both sides of the ball are very fluid and aesthetically pleasing. The bulk of Vera's fantasy value will be tied to his bat, as he is only a 50-grade runner. He doesn't have much over-the-fence power now, but should develop 20-homer pop in time. It is unclear what type of hitter he will be, but he has a nice rhythm at the plate and a good understanding of the strike zone. He may eventually outgrow shortstop, but the Angels won't be moving him down the defensive spectrum anytime soon."

Not trying to be a total downer, just not very excited about any of these international signings until we see some of them actually pan out. Nelson Rada from the '22 class is looking like a legit prospect, but even a best-case scenario has him being what, an Ender Inciarte? Ben Revere? Can anyone even name the '23 top signee off the top of their head? I couldn't - it was Felix Morrobel. 

Guys like Suarez and Barria were around '13-'15 classes, so even they were guys who signed roughly a decade ago, before Eppler's stint even. 

This is part of why I really don't care about who they sign this winter. Nor am I advocating for a rebuild. They just need to figure out a new way of doing things when it comes to developing internal talent. Neto, Schanuel, O'Hoppe, Detmers are all great indicators that something may be starting to click. The emphasis should be making that work - not a $200M payroll.

Well said. The vast majority of these signings don't work out, or at least haven't for the Angels. And the focus for the Angels, as you said, should be on developing internal talent - which includes scouting. Right now I don't have much faith in the Angels' international scouting. The "domestic" names you mention point to some ability to recognize States-side talent, but how many international signings have worked out for the Angels over the last decade?  

[Angelsjunky]

1 hour ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

Can't believe the Halos picked freakin' Will Wilson one pick before Corbin Carroll.

This happens to nearly every team, but...the Angels seem particularly bad about it. Maybe we're still repaying the karmic debt of the Trout Heist of '09.

Another example is Sam Bachman over Andrew Painter, who looks like a very good starter. Or trading Kyle Bradish, who was kind of paired with Aaron Hernandez in the minors but seen as slightly inferor. So the Angels trade Bradish (for Dylan Bundy), who goes on to become a legit front-end starter for the Orioles (4th in CY voting this year), and Hernandez stagnates in the minors.

This implies that it is a two-fold problem: talent recognition (scouting) and development. The Angels have been bad at both.

Edited January 16, 2024 by Angelsjunky

[JVel17]

3 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Well said. The vast majority of these signings don't work out, or at least haven't for the Angels. And the focus for the Angels, as you said, should be on developing internal talent - which includes scouting. Right now I don't have much faith in the Angels' international scouting. The "domestic" names you mention point to some ability to recognize States-side talent, but how many international signings have worked out for the Angels over the last decade?  

Last decade, not much.

After Arte prioritized the glamor FA signings to generate more revenue from TV contracts and seemingly deprioritized scouting/player development (example: firing of Eddie Bane after a great draft class), it seems the slim pickings in the last decade may be the result of that deprioritization.  Prior to that, some come to mind such as F-Rod, Aybar, Santana, etc.

Agree that a low % of scouted players pan out, but that would generally be true for both domestic and international players.  I would prefer the Angels do all they can (more, not less) to scout both domestic AND international players to increase the stable of young players so maybe a few more young players pan out (including having more young players that other teams may want in trade, such as how the Dodgers got Mookie Betts).

The Angels, like the Dodgers, are in a large market and should have as much or more revenue to plow back into budget for scouting & player development than other teams like Tampa Bay, Baltimore, and most other teams.

Instead of doing only one or the other (build via FA or build via scouting & player development), can't the Angels do both?  The Dodgers seem like they do both.

Although the Angels have some good young players (O'Hoppe recently obtained via trade, Silseth, Neto, Schanuel obtained via draft), I am hoping more can be done to look everywhere to obtain young players (and then develop them) to strengthen the organization's foundation of having a few good young players pan out to fill holes due to injury or to maybe trade sometimes for quality established players.

Edited January 16, 2024 by JVel17

[mmc]

 

[tdawg87]

Ok. He sucks but he can play multiple positions? 

One of those "if he's in the lineup we're fucked" type of players.

[Angels 1961]

More depth in minors. I like signings of Minasian depth pieces all have MLB experience. So catchers, Of now 1B, 3B. Now maybe an INF and Kike Hernandez fits plus a SP a few BP pieces. Could be year take a step back and see how young players develop.

[mmc]

 

[ettin]

47 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

Wow you don't see an 18-year old get an invite to Spring Training very often...